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Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 12:00 am
by silentninja
Hi,
I'm been browsing the forum for a week and been reading the different threads but not able to find the details I need - so thought I may aswell ask.
I've got back garden of 36 sq metres where I would like to put down Indian Sandstone paving. I've been watching youtube videos and gather I need the following materials. Does this sound right?
Paving Slabs for 36 square metres
1 ton grey building sand
1 ton grit sand
8 bags cement
1 ton limsetone crush
1x5ltr plasterciser
3-4 tubs of easy joint
The ground is pretty hard soil (not clay) and is currently half a brick below the damp proof course. Would I need to dig down further to the clay and well below the damp proof course?
I plan to fit some channels to allow the rain water to drain away into the main gutter.
Advise will be really appreciated
Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 4:40 pm
by lutonlagerlout
hmm
finished paving height must be 150 below DPC
for a residential patio this means you must dig out 300mmbelow DPC
for 36M
1 40M flags (to allow for cuts breakages and bad ones)
2 7 tonnes type 1 installed 100MM thick and wacked
3 4 tonnes grit sand
4 20 bags of OPC
5 10 litres of SBR
6 6 -7 tubes of w365
digging out roughly 2 6 yd skips
LLL
Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 6:48 pm
by Carberry
lutonlagerlout wrote:
What LLL said. Apart from the weatherpoint. Depends on the pattern and how many slabs you are using, but assuming a random pattern with equal numbers I reckon 4 tubs would do you, 5 to be on the safe side.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 12:28 am
by lemoncurd1702
Grit sand as in the type used in block paving, or as in plastering/ rendering sand?
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:01 am
by lutonlagerlout
block paving sand
it seems to have many names countrywide so i stick to grit sand on here
in the merchants yesterday they called it sharp sand
day before it was screeding sand and last week it was river wash
LLL
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:20 am
by lemoncurd1702
The coarseness of grit sand seems to vary from merchant to merchant some of it not much grittier than building sand. Bearing in mind that building sand in my area is dredged from the sea (not that mucky pit sand) I'm happy to use this for slabbing. It bonds better with the slab.
On that note I'm laying slate paving soon and would appreciate views on the bonding. As I prefer to lay on a wet flexible mix is it necessary to coat with a sbr/cement slurry or will just coating with the sbr be fine.
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:51 pm
by johnty
with having no experience using weatherpoint what are peoples thoughts on the pros and cons on using weatherpoint over traditional sand and cement
cheers john
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:13 pm
by msh paving
weather point all the way, it is so easy you can't make a stain or mess using it, the wetter the paving the better,
some will say its not stood the test of time but it has worked for me ok on alot of jobs,
sand and cement will be cheaper but if your not used to pointing you stand the risk or stains which wont happen using weatherpoint or a similar product MSH
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:29 pm
by lutonlagerlout
weatherpoint is easy to use and does a fair job
IMHO sand and cement done right is superior but it costs more and you run big risks if there is rain
LLL
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:08 pm
by johnty
msh before we go into the topic of pricing can you tell me if the finish of the weatherpoint is too a standard your happy with ?
reason i ask marshall recently did a promo at local builders yard to me and i seen the finished product of easy point which i will try to attach a picture of ,which i honestly thought was crap, the finish with sand and cement i can only see as been on a different panet myself. what are your thoughts ?
cheers john
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:10 pm
by johnty
ok msn
sadly i cant find the original pic i had of the weatherpoint but hopefully you can see the link below of a weatherpoint finished job ,
perhaps you may agree its not the best to say the least ?
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:51 pm
by lutonlagerlout
depends on your view of the aesthetics johnty
I try and lay with a 10mm joint and keep the 365 to a lighter colour than that
for a polymeric its pretty good
LLL
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:02 am
by johnty
well yes fair comment lll
ours are obviously different
cheers john
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:27 am
by lutonlagerlout
if you are laying honed sandstone/limestone johnty then products like weatherpoint are excellent
no mess whatsoever and no dramas with rain or spillage
as said I prefer sand and cement but its no fun hanging around for dry days
cheers LLL
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:14 am
by johnty
hi lll
and how do you find it from a costing perspective compared to using sand and cement ?
cheers john