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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:30 pm
by ringi
I have a pile of old bricks and a going to be digging up a concrete drive. It seems a bit pointless to pay for skips to remove the bricks and concrete, and then pay for the materials for a sub base.
However I have never seen anyone use a concrete crusher to create their own reclaimed MOT1.
So way are concrete crusher not used for this domestic sites?
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:37 pm
by local patios and driveway
They are! Dig dug dan is the crusher guy im sure he will be along in a bit.
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:32 pm
by lutonlagerlout
you can even save on the crusher, by using a sledgehammer and smashing the rubble down to 35mm and smaller like we used to do
LLL
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:48 pm
by ringi
lutonlagerlout wrote:you can even save on the crusher, by using a sledgehammer and smashing the rubble down to 35mm and smaller like we used to do.
But how can you create the correct mix of sizes with a sledgehammer? (At least the sledgehammer would remove any need for gym membership!)
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:59 pm
by lutonlagerlout
using a filter or sieve to ensure correct sizing
hard work agreed but you will get fit while your wallet gets fat
:;):
LLL
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:58 pm
by mickg
not wanting to sound negative here but unless the driveway is over 150m2 - 200m2 it cant be cost effective to hire a crusher and small mini digger and spend a couple of days crushing it into bite size pieces when you can buy the same stuff for £12 a ton, your still going to need a skip to remove any organic waste, shrubs etc anyway and the concrete will weigh that down
if its your own driveway and its a DIY project and you have all the time in the world to do the job then yeah you might save a couple of £100 doing it this way but not when its your livelihood
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:20 pm
by dig dug dan
not wanting to sound negative here but unless the driveway is over 150m2 - 200m2 it cant be cost effective to hire a crusher and small mini digger and spend a couple of days crushing it into bite size pieces when you can buy the same stuff for £12 a ton, your still going to need a skip to remove any organic waste, shrubs etc anyway and the concrete will weigh that down
if its your own driveway and its a DIY project and you have all the time in the world to do the job then yeah you might save a couple of £100 doing it this way but not when its your livelihood
if there is a skips worth of hardcore alone, it is worth it , though i cannot speak for prices up north.
down here, decent crushed is like gold dust.last time i saw some being delivered, there was starw, soil, glass, engine oil filters, aerials,cement bags and 4x2 offcuts in it.
A skip down here is getting on for £200 with the vat.
Days crusher hire is £150. there is £50 saved, and you have not had to buy the crushed in.
There is a "its easier just to skip it and buy it in" mentality that we all need to avoid, and i don't say that just so people will hire the crusher!
The more we can all do to reduce road haulage, and landfill, the better
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:21 pm
by ringi
In Stockport there are 101 companies that will supply skips, but there does not seem to be a local crusher hire company. Skips are about £145 (inc vat) for an 8 yard (without trade discount) and £17+vat per ton for “Crushed Concrete MOT� once again without a trade discount.
I don’t see why a crasher will be much slower then loading a skip unless you have a skip loader or lots of workers on site. But clearly you need somewhere close by for the output of the crasher, and then to move the output back to the driveway.
Are the “mini� crasher up to the job, or is the output not of a high enough quality?
I can see way in London with all the very high transport costs and access issues, crushers will be very common, they just don’t seem to have made their way north yet.
Thinking about this a bit more, part of the issue may be that a 8 yard skips is a lot less than double the price of a 4 yard skip, I assume the a role on role off skip is even less relative to its size and very quick to load with a digger.
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:25 am
by ambient
ive got a crusher but not that local to you up in bolton pm me or call me
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:09 pm
by lutonlagerlout
ringi what is this " trade discount" you speak of?
i heard tell of it way back in the 1970s,but was under the impression it ,along with flares and betamax video tapes were extinct?
bulk discount is another thing entirely,but anyone buying in bulk gets that
my mate works in a well known builders merchant in luton
he has polish,pakistani and pikey builders coming in and they dont speak a word of the queen's english
except
"discount"
LLL :laugh:
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:17 pm
by ringi
I got a brick layer building a garden wall for me at present, last week he placed an order with TP over the phone without telling them his “cash account� details, and they charged him double for some of the items compared to when he went into the branch where the manager recognised him.
lutonlagerlout wrote:ringi what is this " trade discount" you speak of?
i heard tell of it way back in the 1970s,but was under the impression it ,along with flares and betamax video tapes were extinct?
bulk discount is another thing entirely,but anyone buying in bulk gets that
my mate works in a well known builders merchant in luton
he has polish,pakistani and pikey builders coming in and they dont speak a word of the queen's english
except
"discount"
LLL :laugh:
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:32 pm
by parishpaver
Most builders merchants will do a deal regardless of whether you are trade or not.
Your bricky should've got a quote for gear first surely?
Skiplift at Bredbury were doing 8 yard skips for £99 plus vat. for anyone.
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:00 pm
by msh paving
lutonlagerlout wrote:ringi what is this " trade discount" you speak of?
i heard tell of it way back in the 1970s,but was under the impression it ,along with flares and betamax video tapes were extinct?
bulk discount is another thing entirely,but anyone buying in bulk gets that
my mate works in a well known builders merchant in luton
he has polish,pakistani and pikey builders coming in and they dont speak a word of the queen's english
except
"discount"
LLL :laugh:
like it Tony, never got trade discount on a skip before MSH 
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:52 pm
by lutonlagerlout
travis " thieving" perkins as we jokingly call them are well known for this type of thing
every item has a *list* price
say £1 for a class B brick
joe public goes in and the sales team say i will give you 35% off list if you buy 500
joe public thinks he has a deal
I go in and say i will buy 25,000 over a year
they may give me 45% off list due to bulk
hoever if i send one of my blokes down to get 10 bricks to finish something off and do not mention any arrangement I get charged £10 for 10 soddin' bricks
hope this clears it up
LLL
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:12 pm
by parishpaver
Always had my account set up properly with Travis, a full stock list set up with all discounts in place, so much off drainage, so much off paving etc and to be honest, on most lines they can't be touched by most BM's round 'ere. Apart from bulk agg's obviously.
