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take note matelocal patios and driveways wrote:damn, i got raped on this forum for having a few darts on a driveway i posted pictures of. im not knocking anyones work its all very nice but there seems to be lots of ass kissing here..
like the murphys.. im not bitter...
most clued up lads post pictures of the finished jobs
i like to post warts and all pictures,but its easy to find fault that way
cant make an omlette without breaking eggs
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i thought with tegula darts are unavoidable in some spots?
when they are on a 200 by 100 drive they dont need to be there
re:squaring off kits i agree with all that has been said,on the whole they dont look right
i do find cutting internal arcs labourious and for that reason i discourage circles in paving,as a stand alone feature for a table and chairs they look nice,but not plonked in the middle of a patio
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when they are on a 200 by 100 drive they dont need to be there
re:squaring off kits i agree with all that has been said,on the whole they dont look right
i do find cutting internal arcs labourious and for that reason i discourage circles in paving,as a stand alone feature for a table and chairs they look nice,but not plonked in the middle of a patio
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lutonlagerlout wrote:i thought with tegula darts are unavoidable in some spots?
when they are on a 200 by 100 drive they dont need to be there
True although there are ways of getting around it but they look crap and are only really needed for high impact areas for large vehicles. You can avoid most of them if your using a 3 size mix but tbh I've yet to see a dart fail and I feel it looks better to continue the pattern with darts rather than mix it up and throw in something that looks out of place and isn't neccessary. With darts I always throw a bit more sand into the hole then knock them home with a maul and they never move. I feel it's unfair to pull someone up on darts if they've been done well because although it's not best practice they do offer the best compromise between that and best looks. And if a dart is highly unlikely to fail why would you bother doing it any other way and ruining the pattern/bond. This may be a bit controversial given the company on here so I'm filling a sandbag as we speak and getting ready for the flak. :laugh:
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Darts should be avoided where possible because they don't conform to british standards of laying/cutting in, most commercial jobs they would be picked up by the clark of works and have to be redone, we've done MOD work before and they won't accept anything smaller than half a block. It draws your eye to them if you ask me when you see a block cut along its length or a tiny piece the size of penny, and in my opinion any paving contractor should have a block splitter as part of their tool kit.
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The reason so many people put slips and darts in their paving is because there is a lack of skilled labour on a block splitter, its so much easier to lay the paving then run the stihl saw round at the end regardless of how it should be done. Slips and darts are the block paving equivalent of spot bedding which is frowned upon on this forum and rightly so, so how come when people talk about how to do things correctly the same doesn't apply to cutting in? :rock:
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I agree that they shouldn't be used in commercial work and we always do so where possible but Mrs Smith at 63 drives a car not a tank and the heaviest vehicle on her driveway will be a DHL van every christmas so a dart will not fail in that instance and it does look a lot better. I strongly disagree that the reason for pavers not using a splitter is because of lack of skill. I use both and there are a lot of cuts that a splitter can't do like curves and nips off the ends also there are a lot of block types that don't split well regardless of how much skill you have. Personally I have my men trained to a standard where they only have to look at a lot of cuts and then freehand them with the saw or just mark one end of the block and buzz it. That patio I did on friday in the tools thread took about 45 mins to cut in and trim on friday using just such a method and there's not a single bad cut in it. I also disagree that darts and slips are the equivilent of spot bedding they're not but poor subbase and bedding installation is and thats the reason for 99.9% of all driveway failures.
I do respect your integrity on this issue though and wouldn't fault any paver who tries to avoid darts like yourself it is the reccommended standard I just don't like the look of it and feel it's overkill in most domestic applications.
I do respect your integrity on this issue though and wouldn't fault any paver who tries to avoid darts like yourself it is the reccommended standard I just don't like the look of it and feel it's overkill in most domestic applications.
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i would say 70mm of sand and 50mm sub base is a better metaphor for spot beddingpickwell paving wrote:The reason so many people put slips and darts in their paving is because there is a lack of skilled labour on a block splitter, its so much easier to lay the paving then run the stihl saw round at the end regardless of how it should be done. Slips and darts are the block paving equivalent of spot bedding which is frowned upon on this forum and rightly so, so how come when people talk about how to do things correctly the same doesn't apply to cutting in? :rock:
back to my point,i have found it unavoidable with tegula especially herringbone tegula
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well boys i laid some 200 150 60 bardon cbp last week ground was bad so i mixed 4 to1 grit sand cement and laid them in rows like my setts washed in the kiln dried next day top job will post photos ps it was a extra between niegbours so no budget
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As promised some pics of the planting we did up on Saturday, took a couple of helpers along so they can see how I pay for their mobiles/laptops etc lol. Got about 250 bedders and herbaceous plants done in around a couple of hours. Just adding to what we've done there in the last year and a half.
There was effectively nothing in the garden but grass and a couple of badly placed trees when we rolled up.
Oh, and yes, as an aside all the paving and walling was done by us too. Replacing dabbed buff 600sq developer specials!!!
There was effectively nothing in the garden but grass and a couple of badly placed trees when we rolled up.
Oh, and yes, as an aside all the paving and walling was done by us too. Replacing dabbed buff 600sq developer specials!!!
full bed only - spot and dabs are the scourge!!
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