Has anyone real this news from the gaffer

[lutonlagerlout]

oh dear
do they even have tegulas in france?
no one is denying that you/wop knows a lot about paving
this is all about loyalty and trust
i trust the gaffers word and am loyal to the pavingexpert brand
now pay up or shut up
LLL

[RAPressureWashing]

From above.

"Mr Pressure Washer - you are talking about someone who has laid just about every paving you can think off - blocks, stone, PIC, stencil, exposed agg, resin bound, you name it and he's done it and he's done training all over the world and designed and manufactured products like sealers, and was one of the first people in the UK to buy and use a flat surface washer - who the hell are you to call him an "amerture" ?

So and we have cleaned all the above and seal drives etc so what's your point, if you had taken time to read the thread where we disagreed then you would be more enlightened, which was not a paving issue.
Buying and using a FSC what's the big deal in that comment

[johnthepaver]

Eejit? Mr Wonderful? WTF are you on about man, listen to yourself.

Reading your nonsense, I'm totally happy that I got the truth of whats occurred and yes, I'm a paddy with a holiday home in France - jealous?

No Luton, not many tegulas in this part of the world and thank christ, I see enough of them the rest of the year.

I've made me point so I think I'll leave you lot to pat each other on the pat on yer own.

[mickg]

well I hope you and the lads have a good time there then John, drive carefully and don't drink too much

[rab1]

as mick says, hope you and the lads have a really enjoyable day out at this event.
PS, I`d like to meet Joanna Lumley too, will she be there?. ???

[msh paving]

Mr Pressure Washer - you are talking about someone who has laid just about every paving you can think off - blocks, stone, PIC, stencil, exposed agg, resin bound, you name it and he's done it and he's done training all over the world and designed and manufactured products like sealers, and was one of the first people in the UK to buy and use a flat surface washer - who the hell are you to call him an "amerture" ?

If Mr WOP has done all this type off work he must be a very clever man having all the skills to do any form off paving and to train people all over the world
This being the case when he was posting on the forums why was a large number of his replys questionable to say the least.
He seams to have sucked a lot off people into this show,
I hope Tony gets all he is owed from this scammer and he is shut down
no manufactures at the show no point in having it, paving needs new products and manufactures to showcase them
I had booked a day to go but not now MSH

[irishpaving]

Now why are you digging at me John. If i want to change supplier for whatever reason be it over loyalty then thats down to me. Sounds like you could really do with going to the show if all you have ever laid is tegula. I would not normally turn on a fellow irishman but when you stated yourself "i could do with learning new stuff like setts, pic,stone to bs standard, your limited knowlege says it all. :p

Come on now John you really popped over to france to stock up on fags and beer and quickly ran into an internet cafe to write the post

[dave wilks]

well ive been watching this thread for a while now, it does seem to me that the gaffer has kicked up a fuss over a personal business deal , i was not aware that the gaffer had taken money to promote this show indeed if as he claims only to be interested in the furtherment of paving would he have lent his name to it if not being paid?

to come on a public forum and moan to his peers that he has been ripped off is a little sad and petty and to try and dissuade us from attending on the basis that the whole thing is crapp just cos he aint been paid .

Time to get real here climb down from your high horse

[Pablo]

Dave Tony Mac owns this forum to say he's come onto it is incorrect technically it's his soapbox and he can do and say what he likes we're just guests and can chose whether to listen or not. Also we're all of sane enough minds to make up our own opinion and see through any red mist. And to say just cos he ain't been paid this is his bread and butter if he doesn't get paid his family doesn't eat just in same way if someone pulls one over on you or I. He made it very clear at the start that he had tried all avenues within reason and was just informing us of his withdrawl of patronage he never started this thread he posted on his blog.

[lutonlagerlout]

dave,
if I remember correctly,it was you who came on here moaning that persimmon had ripped you off with a shoddy drive and if i remember correctly you took legal action against them??

ring any bells?

pots and kettles spring to mind

There has never been any suggestion that this website is an altruistic entity.

Tony mcC like all of us mere mortals has to earn a living,the information on the site and the advice (good and bad) on this forum is free

However consultation,design ,management,and product promotion are services provided by the gaffer at a cost
Its a business,you either take it or leave it

I'd like to think that the regular contributors try to help folk like yourself,
AFAIK no-one has suggested a boycott (that would be sad and petty) but we have all expressed our individual choice not to attend a trade show ,that we fell has let the gaffer down

would you buy another persimmon home?
LLL

[Tony McC]

I didn't introduce this matter into the Brew Cabin. I made my statement in the News section of the main website because I needed to protect the brand I have worked to develop over the past 13 years. I don't want my brand associated with rogues.

I responded when untruths were posted by someone claiming to know "the truth", after having allegedly spoken to one party only. It would be very easy for me to close the thread, to stifle discussion, to post messages asking people not to attend the event, but I don't, as that would be unfair.

I resent the claim that I have "kicked up a fuss". I think I've been relatively sanguine, compared to how I was when contracting.

I've been ripped off, done, diddled, robbed, scammed, conned....however you want to phrase it. I did not seek it but I was offered a fee to use the pavingexpert brand and after months of the organisers using the brand to open doors and have phone calls ataken, my due recompense has been denied.

Now I have to find the money to keep this site going from elsewhere. Do you want to make a contribution, Dave Wilks? You seem very keen on having a public forum to air your own grievances and to seek advice but a tad naive in thinking that all this is provided for free. My hosting company don't give me bandwidth for nowt; I only wish they did! The software I need to build the site, to create the graphics, to process photos and develop video guides, none of that comes free, either. And then there's the 60+ hours a week I spend keeping the site online, answering emails and writing new content....that, at least, is provided free of charge, because it's what I do.

And my driving passion remains "the furtherment of paving", which is why I hate to see my trade sullied by blackguards who don't pay their bills.

[rab1]

Dave,

As Tony already stated its his ball (forum) and he can do as he wishes with it but in the time I`ve been a member he has been nothing but fair and helpful to the general public and I seriously doubt that he or any other Moderator would delete any posts. The examples of his fairness are clearly shown in the fact that he allows you to post on this forum.

With regards to JohnthePaver, his statement that the boss (Tony) is airing his dirty laundry in public etc is in my opinion untrue. He originally wrote this in his blog not the forum, this was raised in the forum by a member.

The thing that I personally find strange is that the main complainer in all of this is JohnthePaver who just happens to have a home in France that happens to be in the same location as the organizer of the WOP event.

In Scotland we have a saying, if you smell bullshit it is bullshit.

Regards

Rab

[johnthepaver]

I made a post earlier on which has been rubbed out - no cursing in it, just not the opinion the 'gaffer" wanted so seems there's no point writin on here and by the by, I am me and I've never met Steve in France only Kent.

Intresting to see Dave' post, see you are all on the attack right on - seen any proof from the gaffer? Bet you haven't

[msh paving]

I made the original post with a link to the blog from tony.
The reason for that was to let anyone know what was going on with the show and for anyone interested to see what it was about,I had no bad feeling toward the show,as a moderator for tony my interest is with this site.
Some people( johnthepaver) posting what they thinck they know about WOP a little information is dangerous
Mabe this should be the end off this subject MSH

[Tony McC]

I have NOT deleted any posts or any threads, other than porn spam, for several weeks and none at all relating to this issue. The database administrator can verify that. I will not tolerate outright lies.

However, this thread is veering dangerously close to personal abuse, which breaches the T&Cs. The only person "on the attack" is the cross-channel paver; most others, myself included, seem to be on the defensive. If it persists, this thread will be locked.