Draining front yard - How to kep within the law

Foul and surface water, private drains and public sewers, land drains and soakaways, filter drains and any other ways of getting rid of water.
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scottyboy
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Post: # 116098Post scottyboy

I am planning to pave the front yard of my daughter's terraced house in London. It is 8 sq.m. and I don't want the hassle of applying for planning permission for draining it and I don't want to consider connecting to the public sewer. I also don't want to use porous paving. My preference would be to drain it into a soakaway (after checking suitability with a porosity test) but I cannot because it would be less than the permitted 5m away from the house. I understand that to comply with the law I can pave 8 sq.m. as long as it drains onto a lawn or a permeable border. Can you tell me what size the permeable border should be? If a permeable border is acceptable then how is that any different from a soakaway?

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seanandruby
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Post: # 116101Post seanandruby

A soakaway is deeper and the water should slowly filter away over time. A border could become saturated in heavy prolonged downpours. How much distance do you have for a soakaway from house, boundary etc:
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scottyboy
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Post: # 116102Post scottyboy

The frontage is 4m long and there is a boundary wall 2m from the front of the house. I like the idea of the linear drain/trench shown on the SUDS page. Do you think a trench 600mm deep and 300mm wide would be acceptable as a method of infiltration in my situation?
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Post: # 116105Post seanandruby

As it says on the tin "the soil needs to be free draining." Have you done a perculation test to test the ground?
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scottyboy
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Post: # 116106Post scottyboy

A percolation test will be my first job when I get there next week (daughter lives 200miles away). If the ground isn't suitable I guess that permeable paving is the answer. Instead of the purpose-made permeable blocks is there a way of using traditional paving slabs/flags but leaving wide gaps filled with gravel/chippings to allow for percolation?
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Post: # 116112Post lutonlagerlout

depending where she is in London,the ground is unlikely to be free draining 8 m2 is a small ish area I wouldnt get too worked up maybe just a linear channel to a bucket of gravel would meet the regs
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Post: # 116113Post lutonlagerlout

depending where she is in London,the ground is unlikely to be free draining 8 m2 is a small ish area I wouldnt get too worked up maybe just a linear channel to a bucket of gravel would meet the regs
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scottyboy
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Post: # 116116Post scottyboy

thanks LLL, I was thinking along those lines so it's good to have a second opinion. I'll be doing a porosity test tomorrow and I am thinking it should be OK because the area at the moment is a layer of gravel over soil and it seems to drain away naturally without getting boggy or ponding.

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scottyboy
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Post: # 116298Post scottyboy

I have done a porosity test with a result of 13.8. Apparently the result should be within the range 15 to 100. Does anyone know why there is a minimum of 15? I thought the lower the figure the better.
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infoseeker5
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Post: # 116357Post infoseeker5

The attached link explains the reasoning for the minimum of 15.

https://www.direct-drainage.co.uk/pages....ty-test


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