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Post: # 109926Post 110-utility

Afternoon Guys and girls,

First time posting here, so Hi :)

I’m the new owner of a 12 acre woodland, and my first job is to turn the current grass/mud pathways into something a little more substantial.

They will be used for a mix of foot traffic, and ATV's, no cars/trucks.

So I was thinking about removing 150MM of top soil

100MM MOT type one, well compacted

50MM Hoggin, again well compacted

The issue I have is in Devon, nobody has heard of Hoggin, so I’m hitting a bit of a brick wall.

Any ideas of any suitable substitutes??

Does the above 100MM/50MM MOT/Hoggin sound up to spec for what i need?

Some of the pathways are quite steep, probably about 25-30 degrees, will i get much movement if well compacted?

Thanks for your help :)

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Post: # 109927Post seanandruby

You probably won't get hoggin that far west but I wouldn't use it anyway. 75 to 100 ml of type one laid on terran should be sufficient. You can dress it with self binding gravel which is usual for what your planning.
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Post: # 109940Post lutonlagerlout

^^ as Sean says Just 100mm of type 1 laid on a non woven membrane should do the trick ,I would worry about the ATV s kicking the stuff away
hoggin has a reputation that far exceeds its actual use, proper hoggin is like 5mm gravel with a bit of clay,but havent seen that even round the shires for years
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Post: # 109945Post seanandruby

Before you ask about edging :;):
Use tanalised lengths of timber and stakes.
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Post: # 109973Post Tony McC

This obsession with bloody hoggin shows just how south-east centric the landscape design industry can be. It only exists in Kent, Sussex and Surrey, but I regularly see specs for jobs in, say, Harrogate, wanting bloody hoggin as a surface.

And the only reason they use it in the SE is because there's buggerall else in such an aggregate-poor region. Almost any other aggregate is better than bloody hoggin! It's awful stuff!

In Devon, there is a crushed limestone from Hardy's which makes for an excellent self-binding gravel. Something at the back of my mind tells me they gave it a brand name a couple or three years ago, but I can't recall just what it was....Yeoman? Summat like that, I think.
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Post: # 110002Post 110-utility

Ok thanks for all the replies guys.

So type one is all i need, and about 80-100mm of it?

The only real reason for the hoggin type top layer was for astetics, to give a smoother and more even cover, mot can look a little blotchy, but it doesnt really matter, ill just call it rustic :laugh:

Any reccomendations for companies to quote in north Devon? Im thinking about DIY but would be good to have a pro cost to see if its reasonable as I dont have the machinery or skills to do it quickly myself, so might work out cheaper/quicker to go pro when you factor in digger, dumper, wacker hire.

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Post: # 110017Post GB_Groundworks

Tarmac do breedon gravel self binding and nice use it at Chatsworth and other stately homes think last quote I got it was about £270 a ton! Or some ridiculous like that.
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Post: # 110028Post Tony McC

I think you can only get it at that "bargain" price if you're buying full loads, Giles. Buy it by the tonne and it can be double that!
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Post: # 110055Post 110-utility

Ok so the digger, dumper and wacker are booked, Ive calculated that ill need approx 80 Tons of type one, so phoning around tomorrow for best prices.

Does it have to be type one, or are scalpings/crusher run as good (for a pathway)?

And would people suggest I lay a 100gsm woven geotextile underneeth or not?

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Post: # 110061Post GB_Groundworks

scalpings generally the cleaning ups from the quarry inc a bit of clay etc

crusher run usually crushed brick and sometime concrete with wood, light switches, asbestos, any other crap in it (sometimes you get lucky and get all concrete but very rarely)

yes use non woven geotextile underneath, needle punched not the woven weed control crap
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Post: # 110062Post GB_Groundworks

have you ever operated a digger or dumper before as operating on a steep path in a woodland is not for beginners you'll likely hurt yourself or worse.
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Post: # 110063Post GB_Groundworks

id be using my 1 or 3 ton tracked dumpers as one ton high tip are especially unstable when tipping on slopes or navigating steep terrain.
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Post: # 110077Post Tony McC

110-utility wrote:And would people suggest I lay a 100gsm woven geotextile underneeth or not?
It needs to be a particular strength geo-textile (puncture and shear resistant) not some meaningless weight appplied to a useless 'landscape fabric'.

Look for non-woven: it has better shear and puncture resistance. I'd suggest TDP115, Terram 1000 or BuildA
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