Brush-in jointing mortar

spiidey · Post: # 105073Post **spiidey** Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:40 pm

Looking for a brush in jointing mortar for paving slabs that is decent quality and dark grey (basalt / charcoal) in colour.

I've had a look at Rompox D1 and GFTK VDW but I simply can't afford the best part of Â£100 per tub!!

Looking for something in the Â£30-Â£40 range max, that is similar in quality to Marshalls Weatherpoint.

PavingSuperstore · Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:09 pm

How many m2 is it for?

spiidey · Post: # 105076Post **spiidey** Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:02 pm

PavingSuperstore wrote:How many m2 is it for?

15-20m2.

Apologies, should have been clearer in initial post - I'm looking for something in the Â£30-Â£40 range per tub so c. 3-4 tubs as the joints are fairly wide.

PavingSuperstore · Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:16 pm

If it's any help, we offer two mortar products - we have Pavetuf and Gttk 840 - both brush in polymerics. The Pavetuf is Â£42 incl vat & delivery for approx. 7m2 coverage and the GftK is Â£85 incl VAT & delivery for approx. 12m2 coverage. Slightly cheaper than your original post, but they're both good products. There are various other paving mortars sold far cheaper, but if you read up on this forum you will find that they are not highly regarded by professionals, so cannot be compared on a like for like basis.

The other cheaper option to consider is pointing the traditional way using a wet mortar with colour added in, but if time is money, this will undoubtedly cost you more in the long run.

spiidey · Post: # 105080Post **spiidey** Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:57 pm

PavingSuperstore wrote:If it's any help, we offer two mortar products - we have Pavetuf and Gttk 840 - both brush in polymerics. The Pavetuf is Â£42 incl vat & delivery for approx. 7m2 coverage and the GftK is Â£85 incl VAT & delivery for approx. 12m2 coverage. Slightly cheaper than your original post, but they're both good products. There are various other paving mortars sold far cheaper, but if you read up on this forum you will find that they are not highly regarded by professionals, so cannot be compared on a like for like basis.

The other cheaper option to consider is pointing the traditional way using a wet mortar with colour added in, but if time is money, this will undoubtedly cost you more in the long run.

Thank you.

Looking for a Basalt/Charcoal colour - the GftK seems to tick the box (but we can't afford it!!!) but the Pavetuf only seems to come in mid-grey - is this correct?

PavingSuperstore · Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:19 pm

Here's the darker one with Pavetuf: http://www.pavingsuperstore.co.uk/pavetuf....8-p.asp

spiidey · Post: # 105086Post **spiidey** Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:10 pm

PavingSuperstore wrote:Here's the darker one with Pavetuf: http://www.pavingsuperstore.co.uk/pavetuf....8-p.asp

That's black, we really need the dark grey/charcoal/basalt.

Mikey_C · Post: # 105090Post **Mikey_C** Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:44 am

weatherpoint 365

spiidey · Post: # 105092Post **spiidey** Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:03 am

Mikey_C wrote:weatherpoint 365

They only do a black (too dark) or stone grey (too light).

PavingSuperstore · Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:25 am

Can send you a couple of samples if it would help to see it in the flesh

Post: # 105118Post **Tony McC** Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:34 pm

You get what you pay for. You can't buy quality for half of the price. Why would you spoil the ship for a ha'p'orth of tar?

Think about it: how do the cheaper products cost less? Is it really all just marketing, spin, smoke'n'mirrors, or could it be that all of the quality products cost more because they are better, use better starter ingredients, have responsive, dedicated and accessible technical teams to support you, whereas the cheaper products cut corners, source lower cost slightly inferior or more dilute ingredients, and leave you to do your own technical support?

I've played around with more or less every polymeric and resin-bound jointing material currently on the British and Irish markets, and plenty that haven't made it here yet. I have my own pet favourites, ones that seem better than average, but no one product is right for every job. However, the one thing I have learned over the past 15 years playing with thses products is that you buy cheap: you buy twice.

London Stone Paving · Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:39 pm

PavingSuperstore · Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:45 pm

One of the issues you will find with the cheaper mortars is that they split away from the slabs leaving a crack which will enable weed seeds to set. As mentioned above, if you cannot stretch to a decent paving mortar, then using a wet sand and cement joint will be the better option.

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:20 pm

IMHO polymerics by their very nature are not a long term jointing product
I have discovered this with rompox and romex terrasse

marshalls weather point is still in its infancy for me,in 2 years I will know if it has stood the test

the gftk vdw 850 stands all the abuse you can give it

and I have seen this with my own eyes

LLL

Post: # 105156Post **Tony McC** Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:04 pm

I've stopped recommending polymerics. Foir just a few quid more, you can get something that is far, far superior.

I'm sure polymerics have their place for light-use patios, but I've seen too many failures due to over-enthusiastic application of a jet washer by OCD homeowners. If a polymeric must be used, then advise clients to use a rotary head cleaner with the jet washer or, better still, a stiff brush and the hose pipe!