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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:38 am
by ilovesettsonmondays
signed on yesterday ,first time in 15 years .thought id get something back from paying 70 odd pound a week stamp .was suprised how many young people were in there .thought the age range signing on would have been widespread, about 90% under 25 .
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:27 pm
by lutonlagerlout
I haven't signed since 89,it was so disheartening that I stopped after 3 months
"any work,paid or unpaid?"
I was getting £56 a fortnight back then 
hopefully things will pick up in the new year chris
all our blokes finish up tomorrow,we had hoped to work through till xmas eve ,but we are waiting on a special lintel and without it no one can do any work
like a bleeding school holiday this year
LLL
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:08 pm
by ilovesettsonmondays
the money has flown up since then tony .its about 65 quid a week now. 
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:21 pm
by Tony McC
I've never 'signed on' apart from an emergency payment that was made to construction workers in the winter of 81/82 due to there being a blanket of snow and frozen ground over the entire country and no room for any more out-of-work men in the libraries and bookies of the nation, and even that was only for a week.
However, my middle sister was telling me that her lad (usual work-averse, black-haired, eye-liner wearing, metal-pierced, wannabe rockstar layabout) got a mighty 14 quid dole last week after being laid off his waiting-on-tables career because he was scaring the ickle children. She reckons young 'uns don't get as much as real grown-ups.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:22 pm
by lutonlagerlout
i found the whole experience designed to humiliate and degrade you, after 3 months i was determined never to ask nobody for anything ever again, and thus far that has been the case.
the fact is I would/will/have do/done anything to keep the money coming in.
most big sites are shutting down from the 22nd to the 5th so there are going to be a lot of skint lads about come january
LLL
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:30 pm
by michaelthegardener
tony your sisters lad sounds just like me girlfriends brother hes just got a job 3 days a week after 18 months at one point he even stoped signing on couldnt be bothered to get a couple of buses i mean what else did he have to do problem with people who look like that is if ya give em a job you wouldnt want the customers to see em would you
i signed on for about 12 weeks in 2006 ill never forget the day one bloke told me to get a job in makro cos they sell plants there :p saying that though i would do more or less anything for a few quid if it came to it
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:49 am
by Tony McC
Like LLL, I grew up believing that, if you wanted summat, even summat as basic as food in your belly and a roof over your head, you worked for it.
However, my experience with my nephew, and my own son, Beau Nidle, reveals that the current generation seems to have the belief that they are *entitled* to a handout if they can't be arsed working. When I started full-time work in 1977, it was regarded as shameful to claim dole. I know jobs were more plentiful then, but even after the Thatcher onslaught of the 1980s, none of my mates would have bragged about lying in bed all day claiming money from the state. It was embarrassing if you lost your job and many lads (and lasses) would hide the fact that they'd been laid off, keeping up a pretence until they found another job.
So when did all this "the world owes me a living" start?
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:01 pm
by lutonlagerlout
i think it was the generation ,leaving school in the early 90's (no offence to any grafters that age) my 27 year old sister has never held a worthwhile job and now she has a baby ,thats her out of the job market for 16-21 years,by which time she will probably have bed sores from sitting on her arris all day watching jeremy kyle
my era © 1984 everyone who left school went to college ,got a job (mainly on the YTS £25 per week) or joined the forces
out of 250 in my year there was only 1 who refused to work and fair play to him he turned it round at 21 or so and lives and works in oz now
I think when heavy industry coal, steel,etc died it turned certain areas into benefit towns and once kids have grown up in that environment it is in their blood
my labourer's girlfriend actually calls the dole "pay" now, he told me that with some deal at asda she gets 90bottles of pop for £36,drink for nought so that takes half her giro the rest goes on fags and a few pampers
no incentive to work when you can get sozzled every day on the backs of working men and women
LLL
stella
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:33 pm
by ilovesettsonmondays
the problem we have today is wages have not gone up for years.there are good young people who want to work and learn .ive worked with a few .the best paver i have ever worked with is only 30 now.there must be many people on here who bought their own council house ,the bad part of that was the councils never reinvested the cash and built anymore hence forcing alot of people into the private renting market .example i pay 200 pound a week rent. how much minimum would i have to earn to make it worthwhile me going out to work
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:18 pm
by lutonlagerlout
council houses should never have been sold,end of
a lot of my family bought theirs,got signed off on the sick,let the dole pay off the mortgage ,then sold the house ,raked in a lot of profit and drank themselves to death.
LLL
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:50 pm
by seanandruby
some areas you had little option but to sign on. Money is money wherever it comes from. When there is'nt any work, or as was the case low paid work, the dole and a job on the lump help feed the the family. ( black economy ) . Surely you remember the boys from the black stuff? In the end i thumbed a lift from brum to the sarf' coast for work, my wage doubled over night and 22 years later i'm still there. No shame in the dole. n a b ?
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:04 pm
by ilovesettsonmondays
boys from the blackstuff.i grew up on merseyside in the early 80s .liverpool was fecked 20% plus unemployment .world in action made a programme on my home town about people going on the tip to get would they could find to make a few quid.your right shaun the black economy thrived,was all that was on offer .12 pound a daY comes to mind
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:11 pm
by lutonlagerlout
thats what i am saying,places like greenock,when the shipyards went the whole heart was ripped out of them,same with liverpool ,thats why so many migrated south
when my nan died in 1990 my uncles came down from greenock, i took them to see a subby for some casual work
anyway he says "it will be £45 lads cash in hand"
george pipes up "i'll no work for less than £75 a week"
"per day george,per day"
in the last recession i went toshing with a crowd of nightclub bouncers for £120 a week,it was a long fall from £350 but there was nothing about
LLL
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:25 pm
by ilovesettsonmondays
pm lll
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:58 am
by London Stone Paving
I signed on once for about three months and my mum went bezerk on me. She only went bezerk because she thought rightly so that I was being a lazy sod.
You've got to blame a system which does not give an incentive for people to go out and work.
Dole should be a saftey net, not a trampoline