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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:53 pm
by 47p2
As mentioned in my previous "Garage Floor" topic I will be needing new paving and driveways when the garage is finished.
I am not sure what is the best material to use and would like your advice.
I have 372 sq metres to cover and although there is some levelling to be done it is mostly not too bad.
The surface will be taking a certain amount of traffic with vehicles weighing up to 2.5 tonnes and this will be between 4 and 6 movements per day, no more.
Price is obviously a major factor with the size of the area being covered, but I would rather pay a little extra to have a good job done with quality materials rather than have the whole lot redone in a couple of years time.
As always I look forward to your comments, questions and answers
This is a rough plan of the property as it is at the moment. I dont want to change it, but just re-pave it
Cheers
John
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:02 pm
by lutonlagerlout
depends what your budget is really john
for that area anything other than shingle is going to cost you a fair whack,even conc block paving is going to cost summat like 20 grand
budget per metre would give us a better idea
LLL
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:10 pm
by 47p2
I've not even thought on the budget to be honest LLL, I've been too busy concentrating on getting the garage built and it is over budget as it is. 
At the moment it is all done in concrete except the smaller driveway infront of the small garage which is 3x2 slabs which will all have to be removed.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:43 am
by 47p2
Now that the garage floor is in I can start thinking about the yard. I am going to concentrate on only the left side driveway and back yard for now which is some 235m2.
I will post a couple of pictures later today but for now will let you know what the situation is.
The yard is covered in concrete, not reinforced and about 3 inches deep. I'm unsure how long it has been down and don't know what is underneath, but have been told there was once a tennis court here. There are a few cracks in this concrete and during the garage build I have been running over it with a 5 tonne excavator without problem. The concrete runs from the house towards the garage so it will require to be re-modelled. The ground also slopes down at one side so requires to be built up to level it off.
A relative who works with tar products had a look at the yard for me and recommend I lay 80mm of 14mm Asphalt Base Cover on top of the concrete which I don't think is correct from what I have read. A friend who works for the road department suggested I lay 30mm of sharp sand and a 50mm monoblock ontop of the concrete and I am also sure I read this would not work.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:06 am
by Rich H
Correct and correct. As the concrete has failed it will need to come out regardless of what you surface it with.
I'm with LLL, unless you go the shingle route (which is fine, BTW) the cost will be well into 5 figures.
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:46 pm
by jay-Manor Driveways
looking at the pics it will have to be dug out properly and start from scratch unfortunately but what a great project !!!!
shingle is a no no from what you have said so next best thing would be block paving , its going to cost a few quid but done properly it will last you a very long time
good luck with the project ,i await the finished article
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:20 pm
by 47p2
I was thinking of using a cone crusher to use the concrete up but I can't find anyone who hires them. Does anyone here know of anyone in the Glasgow area who hires mini crushers?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:37 pm
by Dave_L
Thats a big project to undertake.
Break up and cart the old concrete, dig out to avg depth 250mm, stone up, and hand lay 50mm 20mm binder and then 25mm 6mm hardstone SMA whacked down with a big roller to get the best appearance & durability.
That is all of course on top of all the drainage works and sorting the service & manhole covers to B125 units.
Got an idea on the metreage?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:42 pm
by Stuarty
Cant think of anyone who hires out mini crushers in central scotland at all. Id cart out with a grab wagon, much cheaper than skips aslong as you can fill it.
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:06 pm
by Tony McC
I'm sure you could hire a mini-crusher from GAP or one of the other big hire co's. They're all clued-up now on how important crushing can be in waste reduction, so most of them offer at least one mini-crusher.
That would allow all that knackered concrete to be regenerated as an OK-ish capping layer or even sub-base material and so keep down the cost of the eventual paving.
If you're planning DIY, I reckon concrete block paving is the easiest option. Less to bugger up and easy to put right if it does go awry.
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:33 pm
by 47p2
The left side driveway and yard area in the plan above take in 235 sqm, this will be the area I will do first
What's a grab wagon? Do you mean a Clamshell tipper?
Unfortunately I can't get a truck round the back yard because the drainage is too close to the surface and could possibly collapse, so everything will need to be carted to the front. I could get the clamshell to pick up from the front though
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:33 am
by GB_Groundworks
its a wagon with a clam shell grab on it, usally 16 ton payload self loading, so you just pile the spoil where they can reach it and they come and cart it away, its cheaper than skips and for those you don't use machines big enough to load 20 ton wagons.
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:42 am
by 47p2
lol. Just beat me to that GB.....Thanks for the reply.
I think it would take more than one truck to remove the spoil
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:31 pm
by MBPM
Hi 47p2. My advice would be get some help and get some machines. I've just done my front drive which is a fraction of the size and it's taken me ages singlehandedly.
You won't realise what a task it is until you're nearly halfway through, and then you'll wish you'd just paid someone else to do it :laugh:
