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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:53 am
by GB_Groundworks
Won a big extension on a big house in alderly edge, neaighbours on rd are Ronaldo and mr Ferdinand but its a bugger of a job.
full height extension at the back inc new truss roof etc, so at back of the house there is a 4m patio then a 2.5m high retaining wall, then another 2 metre retaining wall.....
everything gotta come in that way. so thinking of sticking our 16 tonner on the top and using it to crane the 1.5 ton in then use it as a crane to lift spoil out and then everything else in for the res of the job so questions, anyone know of a tipping type skip you can hang off chains to load with the mini then lift out?
or any other practical ideas? conveyors wont work,
this is what i was thinking something like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm....wt_1352
or even better
might hire one of these for a week and have our fabricator copy it
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:46 pm
by lutonlagerlout
how about 1 of these giles
I know you plant fellas like to get a digger in at whatever cost but 2 blokes fill a 6 yard skip day in day out with no damage
LLL
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:58 pm
by digerjones
i've got a tip skip for a fork lift you can borrow. must hold about 1/2 tonne maybe more.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:45 pm
by GB_Groundworks
did you not read there are two vertical retaining walls? and no room to make a scaffold ramp.
forlift ones not going to work i dont think on 4 gang chains..
heres the elevations, so level is 4.4 metres higher then where we'll be digging footings and doing all the other work.
though about ripping walls out and making a ramp but site so ight its going to be a 45 degree ramp and then rebuild walls.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:50 pm
by lutonlagerlout
so the area to be dug out is totally enclosed?
in that case hard-board the house and gorilla bucket it through
its a pain but we have done it
lifting small machines with big machines can lead to all sorts of "collateral damage"
LLL :;):
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:56 pm
by msh paving
mini tower crane,??????????
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:59 pm
by GB_Groundworks
no point getting a tower crane in when we have a 16 tonner we can sit there. use as a crane. anyone used the tile elevators etc?
yeah, front drive is 3m below house. winding steps up, house is white/cream etc and family living still
got the whole job tony, to do double story extension new pitched roof, then new patio when we are all done.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:00 pm
by DNgroundworks
I know Giles why dont you dig another hole on site and bury it 
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:02 pm
by GB_Groundworks
muck aways easy into tractor and got a local nursery 5 miles away wants all the soil, so just need skip experience tubs or buckets. could reverse the bucket maybe on the machine but then getting in close wouldn't work...
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:07 pm
by DNgroundworks
It was supposed to be a joke mate, i heard it the other day, if you did dig a hole and tried to bury the spoil, youd end up with the same amount of spoil left over, owell........anyway i like the tipping skip in your diagram, could you not make one or hire one of them in?
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:12 pm
by rab1
Speedy do the tipping skips but why not use a full size skip and as you plan use the 16t machine as a crane just lower in/fill and remove to empty?.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:23 pm
by GB_Groundworks
dan its called bulking and i use 1.6x factor when working out a job so 1m2= 2 tons but then x bulking = 3.2 tons of spoil
you can get more in if you hammer it as you go then leave it proud and it will settle over a year or two
rab big skip be too heavy slw on machine is 1 ton as for all non cranes but it will lift our 3 ton kubota but i wouldnt like to go any where over 1.5 tons
i want to hire the one above and copy it, dad wants to get the big bucket thing as its easier to get but harder to work with lol
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:29 pm
by DNgroundworks
Never mind lol
The bucket thing looks like its for concrete?
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:48 pm
by rab1
fair point giles, just thinking outside the box.
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:37 am
by lutonlagerlout
done a few like this giles and men can manually shift a fair bit in a day ,I dont know how you priced it but the last time we did something with very poor access we added 2.5k to allow for a lot of manual handling
cheers LLL 