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Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 12:20 pm
by colordrives
Since sodium chlorate was band I've been having difficulty finding a cost effective non selective ground kill weedkiller for use prior to some tarmac works and on block paving.
Can any one suggest a commercial scale alternative please?
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 1:35 pm
by msh paving
Unless you are registered as a sprayer user, getting anything other than the stuff from garden centres will be hard,
if you are close to a farmer might be worth asking him for assistance
i usually use a pre-emergance weed killer such as dicolbennie or cassaran, in a granular form scattered over the sub-base proir to tarmac or gravel work, but dont walk on it once spread as it get on shoes and travels with you.....lol MSH 
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 2:37 pm
by Dave_L
Footprints over the nice lawn LOL
I too need a decent alternative now NaCl is no longer available. Should have bought a pallet-load.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 5:21 pm
by Tommy
Dichlobenil and directly, the branded Casoron are now black listed.
Was brilliant stuff, that saved us a shedload of work. We are left with spraying Roundup now which is hardly worth the effort
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:39 pm
by msh paving
hi tommy how long have have thease been black listed, as i got some last year, whats the reason for blacklisting do you know?
MSH
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 9:09 pm
by Dave_L
No doubt some stupid facking EU directive.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 9:14 pm
by msh paving
lucky iv got 300m2 coverage in stock....... sod the eurocrats 
MSH
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:03 pm
by Tommy
Yeah, it's been withdrawn from production after Monsanto's licensing agreement expired. Same as all the other chemicals that have been withdrawn, can't buy or sell it, but if you have it in possession, it can be used until 2011 iirc.
Was never really publicised, even the training examiner's didn't know about it.
Shame really, It was brilliant stuff, and a lot easier to apply than lumping spray tanks of liquid around.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:46 pm
by rab1
have some paraquat, kills everything but the wife's dad retired. round up from now on 
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:56 pm
by Tommy
Paraquat has been outlawed for a good few years now aint it?
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 12:03 am
by lutonlagerlout
i found this in the shed, any good?
LLL :;):
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 12:24 am
by Tommy
I'd have a sip or two just to be on the safe side
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:35 pm
by GB_Groundworks
studies have shown the banning of ddt was a mostake but was the first big victory for the greens, rachel carson in silent spring found the thinning of egg shells in pheasants in california and attributed it to DDT. hence it was banned in states then the world. its the most effective and safe pesticide out there, they reckon somewhere close to 20 million lives could have been saved due to malaria alone through the use of ddt.
she didn't publish that there was a natural occurance of thin egg shells in birds never exposed to ddt, i've read quiet abit about it haha, some studies have had humans eating neat ddt powder everyday with no side effects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring
Carson didn't seem to take into account the vital role (DDT) played in controlling the transmission of malaria by killing the mosquitoes that carry the parasite (...) It is the single most effective agent ever developed for saving human life (...) Rachel Carson is a warning to us all of the dangers of neglecting the evidence-based approach and the need to weight potential risk against benefit: it can be argued that the anti-DDT campaign she inspired was responsible for almost as many deaths as some of the worst dictators of the last century.
spreading the knowledge
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:14 am
by lutonlagerlout
nice work giles
its like the global warming thing
i could do with things a little warmer,plus TBH from looking at the evidence I cant see any compelling evidence other than a standard deviation in temperatures that fluctuates over a few thousand years
but the do what i say brigade love it,go round scratching 4 by 4's etc
I wonder what the figures are for emissions from that volcano in Iceland as opposed to all the 4 by4's ever driven??
on the other hand the oil-spill in the gulf is looking like a total fail,they dont seem to have the slightest idea how to stop it
LLL
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:31 am
by Suggers
Same position as colordrives - now looking at black market alternatives.... 
This is the new drug deal - "meet yo under the clocktower at midnight"
