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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:01 pm
by GB_Groundworks
today me and labourer got 25 kerbs in and haunched, mixing ourselves on site, and digging out and preperation.
thought it was a good day, dave and others that throw them in regularly that sound like an ok days work. with getting machine on site and away as well.
giles
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:04 am
by oioisonnyboy
how were you mixing giles...by hand or in a little mixer? 25m plus backing probably about 3 cube, not bad going for you and a mate in a day including scratching out for them if you were site batching.
My old man and uncles used to lay on a price...lay the bed off the lorry, bump kerbs off pallet on the forklift, lay them...grub, back them up off the lorry, and be away at 4.30. If it went smooth apparently they had their days money by dinnertime, the rest was profit...but now my uncles mate badger only has 4 fingers as he caught one in the lory chute...still laid his kerbs though, with a hankie round his hand
I also worked with a guy called "Steroid martin" who picked the kerbs up using his 2 hands like claws and placed them on the bed, then someone else tidied them up, bang bang bang all day long.
After 6 months of politics, bureaucracy and bull5hit on a carillion site, I would kill for a nice long row of kerbs to throw in, another summer stolen from me!
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:49 pm
by Dave_L
Why didn't you have a load of concrete in Giles? Mixing your own these days just doesn't make (economic & practical) sense.
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:27 pm
by seanandruby
Easy to knock it up using the grading bucket on the 360,. For a little job you can mix what you need as you need it.
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:32 pm
by lutonlagerlout
it doesnt always work like that dave, we use ready mix or barrow mix when we can ,
but for instance we were filling the voids on a 215mm concrete block retaining wall the other day
anyway we had to knock up a 1 cement : 2 grit sand : 4 10mm stone mix, (specified by eng.)
most concrete companies wont do this in small batches, and because of the time in filling them (wall was 2 m high) they wont wait
it took 3 of us 5 hours 2 tonne of shingle 1 tonne of grit sand and 18 bags of cement.
had to insert rebar and vibrate as we went too
found it easiest getting the slump fairly wet in a small gorilla bucket, then pouring it in
LLL
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:51 pm
by Dave_L
seanandruby wrote:Easy to knock it up using the grading bucket on the 360,. For a little job you can mix what you need as you need it.
Oh I agree it is easy to knock a load of joey up with the grader but I could think of better things to do than that - i.e laying a kerbline and get on to the next job etc etc
For a 3 cube job I wouldn't even consider knocking it up myself esp where kerbs are involved. And if it were Highways works I wouldn't even consider it.
But in the situation as LLL depicts, I agree, self-mixing the joey is the only option.
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:58 pm
by GB_Groundworks
access is a nightmare just about squeeze my navara down the lane never mind a concrete wagon and they don't like waiting or struggling. we were using our 220 litre belle diesel mixer and lifting kerbs in with kerb lifter and 3 ton machine. didn't start till 9 as i had to drop my boy off at his mums. so not a bad day then. only another 120 metres to go haha.
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:28 pm
by seanandruby
Ideal world Dave eh ??? I had to get in 150 25kg bags of concrete to lay my channels, slippers and do the rough benching last week for 3 manholes, knocked it up with 360. Managed to blag the leftovers off a slab pour, to do the bases, the day before. Each job has its ups and downs. Pre-empting your next question dave ....restricted access, like giles :;):
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:57 pm
by GB_Groundworks
knocking it up with 360?? so we talking ditching bucket filled with dry ingredients and then water and what shaking the bucket back and forth to mix it?
never heard of that before.
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:08 am
by seanandruby
just get a flat bit of ground, pile your material and use the bucket like you would a shovel, turning the mix over. it's easy once you get the knack, Saves the mixer hire. Ok for general use like kerbing, blinding and manholes etc.
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:06 am
by oioisonnyboy
GB_Groundworks wrote:knocking it up with 360?? so we talking ditching bucket filled with dry ingredients and then water and what shaking the bucket back and forth to mix it?
never heard of that before.
diggermix...also known as jesuscrete, cause you can bring it back to life a few days later 
its what normally happens if 6m semi dry turns up at 5pm
fill bodge of dumper with water
make pile of dead concrete
hole in the middle
pour in water, at least 6 bags dust
mix with machine...good enough for laying kerbs on.
however... never back kerbs up with this "Winalot", always have a load come in just for backing, as it needs to be a bit structural.
Dave...joey? explain please
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:06 pm
by Pablo
Could you not get them to chuck it into your dumper then ferry it up the lane. Would be 2 runs in a 3 tonner. We make up digger mix for our stonemasons they're not fussy about quality as long as it sets to some degree. I find it easier and cleaner to do it in a hole
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:09 pm
by ilovesettsonmondays
every job is different for getting in materials and prep.me and a labourer used to lay 100 and odd metres of kerbs by dinnertime.which 2 be honest was average in north of england.thats having kerbs lined out for us by someone else .concrete ran out by wagon and pins and tape put in by engineeri have seen two exceptional kerblayers in my 25 years of working on the roads .one was a welsh man called ted from wrexham .worked for mowlems etc and a guy from northampton way who was mustard at laying beany blocks .used to lay 250 kerbs a day in the 90s either tops or bottoms not both.
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:03 pm
by GB_Groundworks
hope those boys were on a per metre price. 100 by diner is going at it, we had to set up, unload machine, dig out, set out, mix, retrieve the kerbs from where they had been delivered tracking back and forth with the 3 ton, lay and back up. so i was happy with that haha.
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:43 pm
by lutonlagerlout
hehe its the old pub talk
if i hear another brickie claim to lay a thousand bricks a day i will scream, i have laid a thousand bricks a day(facers) maybe 5 times in 25 years
a much more realistic average for a good trowel is 5-600 day in day out, me and a mate did 90 m of 100mm blocks in a long day a couple of years ago, for which we got £270 each for the days work (hoddie included)
thing is we can all have these great earners and great days now and again
but the bottom line is??? have you made made money consistently over the years
LLL