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Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 7:29 pm
by quarkrad
My first post and I'm a newbie so apologies for my total ignorance. I have an outside drain that drains from the kitchen sink to a ditch in a local field that should not be in place - it was done by the builders. There is a capped off pipe in the kitchen that the builders should have used (strange because they built the house) that goes to the storm drains and I have diverted the kitchen sink piping to the capped-off pipe and all is well (as per the other houses - they diverted their pipes some time ago). As I do not need the drain to the ditch I intend to plug the pipe (3" I think) and no longer need the drain which I think might be called a gully. At the moment it has a broken plastic cover and I would like to semi seal the drain with a plain cover (no holes in it). The drain is plastic with a square 210mm x 210mm top - within the lip of the drain top there are 4 (look like screw fixings) protrusions which are 150mm apart. It looks like you could get a cover that would fit into the 210mm square with screw fixings 150mm apart but I cannot find such a plain cover. I have seen on the web plastic covers with the slots in but I am looking for complete cover. Does such a thing exists? Thanks.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:39 pm
by lutonlagerlout
no! because what would be the point?
better to remove the gully and make good
LLL
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:47 am
by quarkrad
My problem is that a conservatory has been built on the rear of the house. I guess the gully/drain should have been moved outside the conservatory but having recently moved into this property I have what I have. There are two loose floor tiles that give me access to the gully/drain cover. My initial thoughts was to fill it with concrete but it seemed a shame, if there was ever an emergency and I needed the old drainage - hence my thinking of plugging the 3" pipe in the gully and having a semi permanent cover. I.e. a lid over the drain and then a thin skim of concrete over the top. I could then put the floor tiles down with tile adhesive and make good. However, I do see the sense in permanently sealing the drain/gully. Stuff newspaper down the 3" pipe and ram down the pipe a few inches and then fill with concrete. I do not want to risk damaging the conservatory tiled floor. Cannot get replacement tiles and the conservatory goes the whole width of the house.
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:30 am
by lutonlagerlout
quarkrad wrote: Stuff newspaper down the 3" pipe and ram down the pipe a few inches and then fill with concrete.
that is not the way to plug a disused run
I find it hard to believe that waste water is being fed to a ditch
not sure of the legality of it
does the pipe you want to plug run to the ditch or to a foul water system?
cheers LLL
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:30 am
by seanandruby
How about a photo ? could of been a shower gully. Can't you cut it down a bit and put an end cap on? I worry about filling with concrete incase it is has a y junction to something else.
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:42 pm
by quarkrad
Myself and neighbours recently had a soil treatment system installed in each house so we checked the drains both soil and storm so I'm confident what is what. Historically, for some reason, the builders by-passed the piping for the kitchen sink and diverted it to a pipe that eventually runs into the ditch. Many years ago both neighbours had their by-passes put back so their kitchen drainage discharges as per the building regs. Having recently moved in I discovered my house still had the by-pass in place so I have now conformed as it is against the Environmental Agency rules re: discharging into the river system. So, I'm happy now re the drainage and know that this by-pass only flows out to the ditch - it has no other purpose.
Hopefully there are two pictures attached. One picture is taken from inside the conservatory - you can see the outside wall, the kitchen is the other side of the window. Yo can see where I have cut the plastic pipe coming through the wall.
The other picture is a close up of the drain - I have cleaned it out, the hole/pipe to the ditch is to the right of the picture as you look at it. I.e. away from the house.
As you can see in the first picture I do want to disturb the floor tiles.
note: Sorry - I use imgbox to attached picture but it seems I cannot use it. The format has to be http://www.domain.com/picture.one.gif Can somebody advise me of a free hosting service I can use please that this site accepts.
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 7:59 am
by quarkrad
Here are the two pictures for my last post.
Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 3:39 pm
by Tony McC
It's hard to tell with such a small pic, but that looks like an access chamber to me, not a gully!
Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:28 pm
by quarkrad
This is about the closest picture I can get:
with the dimensions described above. Where the pipe entered there was a plastic triangular protrusion that also had a rubber cap on the top. Thing is, having said the only place this pipe goes to is eventually the ditch and I no longer use it what is the best method of decommissioning it (?) - as said, it was not really legal as a kitchen waste pipe. If ever the ditch flooded there is the possibility of a back fill so I need a permanent method of sealing. Is filling it with concrete the best option?
Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 8:00 pm
by r896neo
Sounds like a wavin 4D900
The best bet would be to remove the gulley and put a plug on the end of the pipe.
Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 7:52 am
by quarkrad
As said, replacement floor tiles are no longer available, so digging up both drain and part of surrounding concrete is not really an option as I would have a floor area I could not match up. What would a professional do to decommission causing minimal disruption to my floor?
Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:40 am
by Tony McC
Can you get bigger images? Maybe it's my failing eyesight, but I'm really struggling to make out any detail. 600 pixel width is about the ideal.
Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:02 pm
by quarkrad
Hopefully these are bigger. This is a close up of the drain:
This second picture was taken from the wall - showing the pipe that runs away to the ditch. You can see where I broke the 'cover' that was surrounding the pipe entry point.
The shiny dark bit at the bottom of the picture is the bottom of the drain.
Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 10:23 pm
by lutonlagerlout
thats a roddable back inlet gully
obviously the insert and the plug are missing
you could fill with concrete and tile over but rats have a habit of making unused pipes their home
LLL
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 8:44 am
by seanandruby
put a 100ml test bung in the pipe and then fill with concrete. At a later date you could dig down and connect a gully to the outside for drainage, if needed :;):
