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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:38 pm
by sblewer
Hi guys
Another question I'm afraid.
I am about to order my pipe and fittings for the new drainage lines, and was wondering what everyone's opinion was on ordering stuff made by different manufacturers?
The reason I ask, is, as you can imagine I've done a bit of chasing round, and i have got a situation where one supplier is selling say the lengths of pipe cheaper and another supplier is selling the bends cheaper, but they are made by different people.
Now I am on a tight budget, but would I be leaving myself open to future problems by purchasing my fittings and pipes made by different manufacturers, or are the standards as tight as they should be?
Cheers chaps
Steve
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:09 pm
by lutonlagerlout
well we pay about £25 for a 6 m length of orange underground pip and about £5 a bend ,traps and small ICs are about £15-20
the big places normally charge you list price ,better to use a small independent place ,we get our underground stuff from a place that sells upvc soffit and fascia
you should be able to mix and match but its not advised
LLL
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:31 am
by matt h
you will most likely find that different manufacturers pipes and bends do not go together. wickes pipe and marley dont fit, osma and marley are different etc. better to stick to one manufacturer, and the cheapest isnt necessarily the way to go iykwim:rock:
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:04 am
by seanandruby
single skin upvc is banned down south, it has to be twin wall so it can stand up to jet washing.
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:48 am
by sblewer
Well I bought my new inspection chamber from Wickes, but the good things is that it's actually a Hunter Plastics one, so if that's the case I'll stick to Hunter pipework then.
Thanks
Steve
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:44 pm
by lutonlagerlout
as i remember hunter guttering is incompatible with anything else,been caught our a few time trying to match into hunter
LLL
and you mean the 110mm underground pipe is banned sean?
the orange stuff?
when you say double skinned what do you mean?
LLL
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:42 am
by sblewer
So you say Hunter guttering has compatibilty issues, is that the same with their underground drainage pipe as well then?
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:20 pm
by lutonlagerlout
never used their underground so cannot comment ,but their guttering doesnt work with marley osma etc.
unless they have changed it recently
LLL
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:09 am
by seanandruby
From london down to the south the upvc was banned by local authoities because a high powered jetter put hundreds of pinholes in the pipework You've maybe seen the twin wall, it is a different colour on the inside lining that varies as to manufacturer Also it is "ribbed" on the outside. a doddle to use. but even that was refused on my job in favour of salt glaze. 
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:51 pm
by lutonlagerlout
salt glaze has got to be better, we have to use it on council work
never seen the double skinned pipe
LLL
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:22 pm
by flowjoe
Ive always prefered clay pipe work to plastic, but the plastic is cheap and easy to work with.
Them jetting boys must be giving the system some hammer, most jetting units work on 3/4000 psi and ive never had a problem with damaging plastic, having said that there is a lot of cheap pipework out there that may be sub-standard even though it shows a BS number.
I did once make a bloody great hole in a cast iron pipe with a 20,000 psi unit though ???
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:40 pm
by seanandruby
The ultra rib piping is good up to 4000 psi jetting. Thermoplastic structured solid wall pipe for gravity sewer applications. its terracotta colour on the outside and blue on the inside to provide better light reflection during cctv.
100ml saltglaze are light and easy 225s are easy as the 360 does all the lifting. But after laying 150s all day having them passed down to me i begin to feel it. its having to put movement joints every coller thats annoying.
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:42 pm
by eazybarra man
sean is right re plastic pipe being banned, but to my knowledge sean it only applies to adoptable sewers, after the disconnecting chamber from houses.
110mm is used around the houses, as this is not usually adopted by the local authority.
LLL, you pay £24 a lengh for 110mm u/ground 6 mtr lenghs? where do you buy that? i didnt think you would be getting ripped off, surprises me.
Back to sblewers point re different manufacturers. All underground pipe and fittings are made to a standard and all manufacturers make their pipe & fitttings to comply with BS & EU standards. You can get slight differences in the tolerances between manufacturers, 1 - 2mm but usually not enough to cause any problems when air testing.
point of caution if mixing manufacturers, if you have an air test failure the manufacturers wont accept responsibility because you have not used there system.
Gutters and downpipes are a different story though, as every manufacturer has there own profiles and jointing systems, so you have to watch
hope this helps
EB
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:40 pm
by lutonlagerlout
i think £24 is cheap EB man £4 a metre?? for BS pipework
its the digging etc that costs
theres a small DIY shop in a village outside luton,i bought a 90 deg knucle there and it cost £24 !!!!!
that hurt
but i am in to time and motion,no point making a 90 minute trip to save £19 IYKWIM,cost more in diesel and manhours
LLL 
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:58 am
by matt h
ouch. but agree with yr time and motion study sometimes its just cheaper cos of the time saved:)