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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:41 pm
by split59
Hi with the much help gained from the advice here and one of Tony's plans i have laid my first ever patio. Ok so joints may be a bit bigger than I like but trying to balance the joints is a nightmare I take my hat of to you guys who lay patios for a living it's a damn site harder than it looks! Anyway i have used natural paving sandstone heather and am stuck on which colour to Finnish the joints am I right in thinking buff will be to light and black be to dark and stone grey be ok? I'm thinking of using weatherpoint 365 as I can get that local and fits my budget is this stuff ok or should I pay a bit more for something else? I'm concerned they say. Try a test area for staining I thought the idea of these compounds was that they don't stain.
Also they say if bedded on a stronger morter base than 7:1 it won't. Work what is the alternative?
Again thank you guys
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:09 pm
by cookiewales
365 is fine no problems you get a shine but that soon disappears use plenty of water and wet first don't try and do to much in one go 
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:17 pm
by PavingSuperstore
Natural Paving's heather is a modak colour, so I would suggest either a buff or the mid grey colour. Personally, I would probably choose the buff colour.
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:29 am
by Azpects
cookiewales wrote:365 is fine no problems you get a shine but that soon disappears use plenty of water and wet first don't try and do to much in one go
or if those don't quite float your boat try EASYJoint, we offer more colours and an ever so slightly better product 
http://www.azpects.co.uk/products/easy-joint.aspx
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:15 pm
by loydE1
Hi im laying my first patio natural sandstone dune colour, i have been advised to use grout suitable for outside, look at BAL superflex wide joints, comes in various colours and feed it into the joint with a gun..365 -and easyjoint are pretty naf products and loose there colour after time, grout is the way forward. ...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:47 pm
by lutonlagerlout
when you have laid 40-50 you might be more circumspect lloyd
easyjoint and 365 are perfectly acceptable for domestic patios,which they are intended for
I personally wouldnt use grout
sand and cement yes ,but not grout as in tilers grout
LLL
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:55 am
by mickg
who has advised you to use grout instead of tried and tested jointing products ?
all patio jointing products loose colour after a period in time including traditional sand and cement, what makes you think grout is any better ?
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:15 pm
by BrianRatliff
mickg wrote:who has advised you to use grout instead of tried and tested jointing products ?
all patio jointing products loose colour after a period in time including traditional sand and cement, what makes you think grout is any better ?
That's a good point. Think again?
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:41 pm
by loydE1
Im talking about BAL micromax 2 comes in gd range of colours, gd product..
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:21 pm
by lutonlagerlout
loyde
from bal's webby
" Recommended applications areas include leisure centres, bathrooms, changing rooms, restaurants/food consumption areas, domestic kitchens and shopping malls."
no mention of sandstone patios?
in fact all of bals grouts seem to be aimed at tilers
your patio will be flags
whole different ballgame
LLL
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:49 pm
by loydE1
I spoke to there tech team and if u speak to stone masons they will say the same. Think about it. You can use high end natural stone inside of your house, would you use cement to grout indoors say in your kitchen? No..so if you're putting good quality natural stone on you patio why compromise...
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:03 pm
by DempseyLiverpool
The grout product you are talking about is cement based
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:13 pm
by dig dug dan
Jointing products only lose their colour due to dirt. Regular cleaning will solve this.not had a problem with easyjoint, or any complaints
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:26 pm
by lutonlagerlout
loyd there are stone masons here,cookie ,dempsey,noony, tony mc the gaffer, mick gammage multiple award winner
the list goes on ...
I might even include myself as someone who has some experience working with natural stone
and not one as far as I know , has ever used bal grout on a patio
bal does do fantastic grouts for walls and floors but do you suspect that the men on here with at least 500 years of experience behind us might have sussed it if it was such an appropriate product?
I would be interested in seeing the before and after pics of the grouted patio
my big concern with such a fine cement based product in the hands of a first timer ,is that if the sawn stone sucks cement into the stone and causes efflorescence
gftk vdw 850 is a high spec pavement epoxy mortar that would be more suited if you want a bullet proof finish
but as Dan said ,its outdoors ===> it will get dirty at some point
cheers LLL
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:35 am
by cookiewales
loydE1 wrote:Im talking about BAL micromax 2 comes in gd range of colours, gd product..
would be very careful on porous sandstone this will kill it and not easy to clean of when wet and just applied .i have used ball products for fixing stone cladding and slate flooring .as lll says stick to a resin grout which does not fade as aggregate is natural stone the binder is colourless ps 365 is not gunpoint its resin