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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:47 pm
by Bilabonic
Hi

I have finally got to the point to pave my rear garden after removing 80 tonnes and putting in retaining walls as in pics, i have also inc recessed lighting in the walls -

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I am thinking of using this paving and also the edging stones against the wall for effect

Its HARVEST sandstone by natutral paving with marshall edging pavors-

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What do you guys think ?

I will also be replacing windows with bifold doors and fitting metal clarke drainage all along house.

Any thoughts, the pics look rubbish, the brick is Hadley Red Brindle.

Is there anything else i need to consider ??

Cheers

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:46 pm
by Pablo
The edging is a good choice although I'd butt joint it rather than leave a mortar joint it's a bit overpowering. I'd use a darker grey colour of sandstone the colours are all a bit to closely matched with the house brick and that can be a bit overpowering too. Also being sunken the paving could possibly go green fairly quickly so a darker shade would help with hiding it.
Do the walls have any provision for drainage I can't see any weep holes and was the facing brick tied into the block and does it have a cavity.

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:27 pm
by lutonlagerlout
colour too lively IMHO as pablo states too
what bond is that brickwork up the rake of the stairs?
weepholes are a must mate, your walls will die without them
I am guessing you didnt put shingle behind the wall? or a land drain?
I know it looks heavy duty but I have seen meatier walls than that go,with no drainage
i would go for a lighter slab but the choice is yours
LLL :;):

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:52 pm
by Bilabonic
Thanks for replies guys.

There are weep holes there and it's tied into block on flat, no shingle behind but rubble/brick.

Me and my mate got a bit confused on the bond on the steps ....lol, going to sort that.

Anyway what do you guys recommend, want to get it right first time. Looking at this range -

http://www.naturalpaving.co.uk/product.php?id=34

Any tips/tricks to get a nice effect much appreciated :D

Cheers

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:15 am
by lutonlagerlout
our old scud london stone does a sawn version for not bad money
personally i feel the colours are too strong but thats just me
I have a feeling that harvest is one of the softer sandstones so you might need a sealer,also get a lay out done or do it yourself before you start
saves a lot of grief

BTW i was coring holes yesterday for vents,what a ballbreaker of a job!
cheers LLL

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:55 am
by local patios and driveway
I did a 5 inch core hole in a solid 9in wall for a combi this week, Took over an hour...

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:28 am
by Carberry
lutonlagerlout wrote:our old scud london stone does a sawn version for not bad money
personally i feel the colours are too strong but thats just me
I have a feeling that harvest is one of the softer sandstones so you might need a sealer,also get a lay out done or do it yourself before you start
saves a lot of grief

BTW i was coring holes yesterday for vents,what a ballbreaker of a job!
cheers LLL
It does need sealed. I've just about finished laying 70m2 of it.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:34 pm
by London Stone Paving
Looks like it might be a damp area. Does the area get much in the way of sun?

If it is damp and dark harvest might not be the way forward. Go for a really hard stone otherwise it will be green in no time

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:37 pm
by darrenba
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Oooh look, that's one of my jobs :D

Harvest was chosen by the client and came from Natural Paving via a local supplier.

Here's one of the WIP photos

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And a before photo

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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:40 pm
by Bilabonic
It does not get much light, only mornings. Did not think of hardness ???

What would you recommend London Stone, this stuff works out £18m2 at my local stockists for 5 pallets (15.2m2 each), might need 6. I live in SA12 postcode area.

I drilled 13 of them holes, 126mm each !!!!! Not to bad with diamond core/clutch sds.

Sorry for knicking your pics Darrenba....lol

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:45 pm
by Bilabonic
lutonlagerlout wrote:our old scud london stone does a sawn version for not bad money
personally i feel the colours are too strong but thats just me
I have a feeling that harvest is one of the softer sandstones so you might need a sealer,also get a lay out done or do it yourself before you start
saves a lot of grief

BTW i was coring holes yesterday for vents,what a ballbreaker of a job!
cheers LLL
Think your right LLL.

I need a contrasting colour that sawn looks lovely, it even looks almost like polished stone but it's over double the price !!!

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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:48 pm
by lutonlagerlout
fame at last darren!!!
now wheres the fortune?
bilbonic dude, you pays your money you takes your chances,
i would go for a harder stone
maybe kandla grey or a modak
ultimately the choice is yours but some of those really colourful ones are very soft
LLL :)

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:51 pm
by lutonlagerlout
sorry i forgot bilbonic,you havent got a massive area there,and i am guessing you have spent the guts of 10 grand already,so go for the best stone you can afford
after all that graft and money ,it costs the same to lay £15 a metre stone as it does to lay £50 per metre stone
but for the next 20 years the stone is all you will see
LLL

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:19 pm
by London Stone Paving
Bilb

You've obviously got your heart set on buying stone but going on what you have said stone might not be the best material to use. It would be really useful to go to your local supplier and get hold of a few 300x300 size of the various stones that you like and then leave them out in your garden for a while and see which ones weather the least. If time is of the essence and you cant do this then choose a hard stone. Kandla grey, autumn brown, raj green, modak are all bullet proof. Natural paving will stock all these materials but will probably have different names for them, just ask them and they should be able to advise.

Also have a look at concrete as well, might be a better solution. When you come to lay the patio make sure there is good drainage and also a good fall to get rid of any water quickly

steve

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:20 pm
by Bilabonic
Was thinking of concrete as well, not really looked into it much though.

Anyone recommend a product ? I was thinking of a light colour as it's in shade most of the day.

Anyone used any nice concrete products lately ?

Cheers guys.