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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:42 am
by novice northerner
Had a smooth indian sandstone patio laid by builders 2 years ago. The fall has been towards the house aiming towards the drains. This created damp bricks below the dpm so elected to have some flags relaid and create a border around the house of pebbles. Got landscape gardeners to do the job. They lifted flags and relaid on mortar bed. i noticed some flags were loose and rocked when walked on but since have been pointed up they sem stable. Contractor saysthat it is the mortar laid round the flag that keeps them in place. Will this stand the test of time or am I been spun a yarn??
Again!
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:37 pm
by DNgroundworks
Ive never heard of it being put that way, i suppose the pointing should help stop any lateral movement within the body of the paving, but i always try and bond the indian sandstone to the bed anyway so i definatley know that they aren't going anywhere, then point to add to the strength.
BTW paving should not fall against the house unless there is absolutely no other way of doing, best way would of been to run acos tight up to all of the brickwork, so any water flows straight into them.
Probably spun a yarn, id say, and i doubt the pointing that is stopping the rocking flags will stand the test of time im afraid.
Where in the north are you from?
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:50 pm
by Carberry
Pointing does help hold them in place but he is talking pish. The slab should be stable and fully supported before being pointed. If the pointing is all that is stopping them from rocking then it will fail, need repointing and need relaid.
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:50 pm
by local patios and driveway
ive seen regular forum users saying that rocking slabs should be left alone and pointed but i wouldnt leave them like that. its a bodge, because done correctly they should be stuck firm.
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:14 pm
by lutonlagerlout
really no one,.and i mean NO_ONE should be walking on unpointed slabs/flags except the paver
how many times do i have to catch the client standing on a flag laid 30 minutes before and rocking their weight back and forth?
LLL
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:17 pm
by cookiewales
lutonlagerlout wrote:really no one,.and i mean NO_ONE should be walking on unpointed slabs/flags except the paver
how many times do i have to catch the client standing on a flag laid 30 minutes before and rocking their weight back and forth?
LLL
well said 
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:00 pm
by specialbranch
lutonlagerlout wrote:really no one,.and i mean NO_ONE should be walking on unpointed slabs/flags except the paver
how many times do i have to catch the client standing on a flag laid 30 minutes before and rocking their weight back and forth?
LLL
And when you tell them to get off they apologise go up onto their tip-toes and start running like a baby elephant making it 10 times worse.
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:04 pm
by lutonlagerlout
well as all the blokes on here know, we walk in the centre of large modules to traverse any area
but you can guarantee the clients and their off spring will want to do morris dancing within 10 minutes when not trying to pull up freshly laid stuff,or arranging heavy duty patio furniture
human nature i spose
LLL :;):
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:15 pm
by Pablo
lutonlagerlout wrote:really no one,.and i mean NO_ONE should be walking on unpointed slabs/flags except the paver
how many times do i have to catch the client standing on a flag laid 30 minutes before and rocking their weight back and forth?
LLL
The very thing hapened to me this morning the flags were butt jointed and you could see where he had stood to get to his outside tap. I'm hitting him for another £50 for my troubles.
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:52 am
by mickavalon
How about a client who drove his car on a driveway, the evening we'd just finshed the main blocking, ready for cuts and jointing next day!! He'd actually tried, badly, to repair the damage he'd done, but his wife grassed him, and we charged him for the Day again:D
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:34 am
by Carberry
Worst I had was a 20 stone + woman who had a thing for tradesmen, I swear she was out there every night tap (stomp) dancing all over them.
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:24 am
by novice northerner
I dont know if my wife has a thing for trademen but she swears it was 48 hours before she went near them and practiced her clog dancing. I will give them the benefit of the doubt as they are stable now but I have now paid twice for this stretch of patio and i do not particularly want it to be third time lucky.
\\\Thanks for all the replies. If the flags come loose I will contact DN Groundworks as you are just up the road.
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:54 pm
by haggistini
I laid about 10M2 of sawn granite setts 100x100x100 with 10mm joint outside swansea Market. We opened the arris fence to sling the tools in the dumper and a woman in full high heels walked straight in the lot of them we all shouted to stop her and she paused listened to what we said and casualy walked in the opposite direction fecking even more of them!!! Ps the entrance had to be finished and open that evening what looked like an early finninsh turned in to a very late shift!!