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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:12 am
by jerwood
Hi,

We're looking to replace our existing crazy paving driveway where the joints have started to break up, probably due to larger cars (Espace) being run over it. It's been down over 20 years and not sure what's underneath but not really relevant as the plan is to start again properly. Total area is 12 x 8m, with the area in front of the garage taking most car traffic.

We'd like to have sandstone flags (I know that blocks are recommended for driveways, but we prefer the look of flags if possible).

I have had several people to quote, including paving specialists and landscapers. Our current leading choice is a paving specialist, but I'm looking for a second opinion on his proposed construction for the area, as it's not quite what I've understood from this site and stone supplier technical guides.

The proposal is: after clearing the existing stone, excavate and fill with a minimum of 100mm compacted Type 1 as a sub base. Then 50mm concrete slab, followed by 50mm mortar bed into which the flags are laid. Joints to be mortared.

Technical advice for a driveway installation application seems to be to have a 100mm concrete slab over the compacted Type 1, topped with bedding material (this site, Pavestone, Stonemarket).

His proposal is only half the recommended thickness, but his argument is that the 50mm concrete + 50mm mortar is effectively the 100mm concrete slab. When I asked about a full 100mm slab, he thought that was a lot of concrete! He is offering a 5 year guarantee, but I'd rather get it right first time.

This is a new subject for me, but I'm trying to learn, so please can you give an opinion on whether his proposal is sound or we should be looking for something/someone else.

Also, when you speak to suppliers they are keen to say they can do what you ask for to get the job, but if you think we're being really unwise going the flag route, that would be really helpful to know too.

Thanks in advance,

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:41 pm
by mike builder/landscaper
i have done a couple of indian stone drives, and all i can do is tell you how i do them. put down 150mm type 1 rolled down with a twin vibrating roller really well and lay the paving on a 5/1 mix of ballast with 10mm gravel in at 100mm thick. slighty wider joints between 13 to 17mm and a good strong mix of 3/1 pointing mix and we mix everything by bucket for accuracy.

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:53 pm
by lutonlagerlout
it doesn't matter how good the subbase is if the stone is not up to the job
I have done a couple (after getting it in writing that i accept no blame for the stone they supplied) and movement isnt really the problem
the problem is that nearly all imported large unit sandstone is intended for patio usage
when driven on it can laminate,crack,discolour etc
if you must use injun stone why not use the smaller sett sized pieces that are considerably thicker
LLL

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:20 pm
by jerwood
Thanks Mike and LLL for your replies.

Our paver has done some more research, after which the proposal is to go for a 100mm slab.

It's interesting to see a fuller explanation of the problems you can get using slabs for driveways in terms of the surface breaking up, discoloration. All I'd picked up was that the slabs might crack if the base didn't give enough support. I guess that's how the suppliers deflect any complaints if there are problems - couldn't be a problem with the stone they supply :) Will certainly look into using the smaller setts.

Once again, really appreciate you input - hope this helps others too. Cheers.

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:36 pm
by Davesmate
With all of the potential trouble and costs of installation, why not go for a 100-200mm granite sett and use a good jointing mortar (as Tony says "small format paving is much more joint dependent then large format paving which is more bedding dependent") - Get a good GftK 800 or 850 jointing mortar from www.nccstreetscape.co.uk - speak to Gary or David. Hope this helps