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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:23 pm
by rushd
Hi
I am slowly getting to the stage where I can think about grouting/pointing my 22m2 concrete riven slab patio.
I had even purchased the EverPave(?) Geofix in readiness. Then I realised I had made a mistake in my planning.
I opted to lay the patio on a lean-mix base as I am on clay. And it is edged with concrete block pavers (as per block paving). The joints are not buttered as I had always intended to use a resin-sand option.
But I now reliase that Geofix is porous/permeable and lets the water in. No good for me! I don't want a concrete pond. So I've taken it back.
I have been re-reading the options, and it seems that all of the resin-bonded options are porous/permeable. I have read about the traditional (painfully slow) pointing method, the wet & dry grouting method, 'gunned' mortar pointing etc but I'm concerned about the cement options as I don't want to spoil the slabs with cement stains... 
Are there any labour-saving options left for me to consider?
Can anybody suggest any products that would do the job?
Thanks
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:24 pm
by lutonlagerlout
well its good that you got shot of the geofix but there are no quick fixes where pointing is concerned
easipoint is good once you have the hang of it,but might be too hard for diyers
maybe some of the higher quality gftk or romex products are non porous but I'm not sure ,cookie or pablo would know
cheers LLL
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:58 am
by cookiewales
lutonlagerlout wrote:well its good that you got shot of the geofix but there are no quick fixes where pointing is concerned
easipoint is good once you have the hang of it,but might be too hard for diyers
maybe some of the higher quality gftk or romex products are non porous but I'm not sure ,cookie or pablo would know
cheers LLL
most expoxys allow some water through the top end ones which are stonger allow less but very expensive easypoint or gunpoint instarmac are best.get in a pro to point save the heart ache :;):
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:00 am
by cookiewales
lutonlagerlout wrote:well its good that you got shot of the geofix but there are no quick fixes where pointing is concerned
easipoint is good once you have the hang of it,but might be too hard for diyers
maybe some of the higher quality gftk or romex products are non porous but I'm not sure ,cookie or pablo would know
cheers LLL
most expoxys allow some water through the top end ones which are stonger allow less but very expensive easypoint or gunpoint instarmac are best.get in a pro to point save the heart ache :;):
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:11 am
by rushd
...and have a pro come in and bodge up all my hard work!
can't afford it.... getting married this year!
seems like dry-grouting is the best option then! tommy walsh style... with some moistening of the joint before sweeping in...
oh dear
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:00 pm
by lutonlagerlout
rushd wrote:...and have a pro come in and bodge up all my hard work!
can't afford it.... getting married this year!
seems like dry-grouting is the best option then! tommy walsh style... with some moistening of the joint before sweeping in...
oh dear
epic fail
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:19 pm
by cookiewales
lutonlagerlout wrote:rushd wrote:...and have a pro come in and bodge up all my hard work!
can't afford it.... getting married this year!
seems like dry-grouting is the best option then! tommy walsh style... with some moistening of the joint before sweeping in...
oh dear
epic fail
dont do that and the guys on here dont bodge it if you can use a mastic gun you can get the mortar between the paving if not wait till you have the money to fund it :;):
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:28 pm
by lutonlagerlout
cookie is 100% right,better to leave something than do a half baked job
brushed in mortar always fails because there is no adhesion and the dry stuff doesnt go off properly
3 25kg bags of sand and 1 bag of cement is ample to point your patio,thats about £10 worth of materials
myself or cookie would do it in a morning but if you are real careful and take your time you can do it in a day
N.B. take care!
LLL
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:20 pm
by rushd
guys it was a harmless leg pull... honest! it was a joke at my own expense...
i know you guys don't bodge. that's why i am listening to what you have to say.
thanks for your advice re dry-grouting. i had read that it doesn't bond etc, and i knew that Mr Walsh and his cut-price methods are not held in high esteem on here, so i won't do it.
i'm just getting a bit impatient.... finding out that i can't use the polymeric stuff has added to my frustration to have it all done.
i've still got two more recess trays to cut in...
thanks again.
i do appreciate the advice
best regards