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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:44 pm
by Wills gardens
right me back again annoying everyone, ''that'' job with the decking also has some patio in it, can someone check my pricing rate on it roughly for me please and give some feedback?
53m2 total area
10.7 tonnes mot @ £581.23
4.1 ton sharp @ £253.68
795kg cement @ £140.25
150 slabs 600x600 @ £1487.71
2guys 3 days labour @ £900
10% on materials @ £2709.15
total £3609.15
seem a reasonable price? sounds a lot to me but you guys have the know how
thanks
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:03 pm
by msh paving
not a million miles out but not knowing who else is pricing for the work, and your area's rates MSH 
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:05 pm
by GB_Groundworks
mot £58 a ton.......... bulk its 9.90 plus vat, loose bagged at worst £35 at the very worst
63 a ton for sharp sand ouch
£7 a bag for cement
i feel for you, are buying these from b & q
doing it off travis trademate website i get this, so glad i get my aggregates bulk or loose and not bagged ouch. plus factor in an upto 50% discount. but your not far off, what you using for slabs/flags?
Code Product Quantity Cost Per Total
554644 OLD RIVEN PAVING 600X600 BRADSTONE AUTUMN COTSWOLD 150 £10.58 EA £1,586.25
846581 BLUE CIRCLE CEMENT GREY 25KG NOMINAL 32 £4.66 BG £149.27
938208 SHARP/GRIT SAND BULK BAG 5 £41.43 BG £207.15
938251 MOT TYPE 1 BULK BAG 11 £37.47 BG £412.18
All prices include VAT
Sub Total £2,354.85
VAT Content £350.72
Total £2,354.85
Edited By GB_Groundworks on 1264019072
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:12 pm
by Wills gardens
mot works out at £44 a bag and there like 850kg
sharp is £46 a bag
dust works out at £4 odd a bag but i added a few extra to cope with weather and split bags.
priced from a local supplier, cheapest place really around here.
sound about right sort of time 3 days with 2 guys?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:13 pm
by msh paving
Giles i pay £14 to 17 a ton for bulk type1 in norfolk as it all has to be roaded in , type 1 crush concrete, tarmac plannings are all in that price range MSH
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:25 pm
by GB_Groundworks
the advantage of living in the hilly bit of the world
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:25 pm
by Wills gardens
i only have a small van so no way of buying it loose which is a shame
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:28 pm
by GB_Groundworks
are you adding your 10% on materials then adding say 20% to the total as profit or ust taking the 10% on materials as your profit.
its getting hard up here with 3 quotes on jobs margins are getting to like 5% if that, i dont add anymore on materials just quote at retail and take the saving as part of the profit on them.
have you factored an extra day say contingency, bad weather, hit a drain right where you want the patio etc
what part the world you in? out local independent will deliver upto 4 loose a load on tipper. but all big nationals now no longer have the old aggregate bays all bagged up and delivered on wagons now.
saying that bags have their advantages, clean tidy easily re-handled and moved around.
Edited By GB_Groundworks on 1264024916
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:46 pm
by Wills gardens
down south i Kent, nowhere i can find has materials loose whic is a shame, those prices for materials, labour and and then 10% ontop of just the materials. sounds right or can i add 10% onto materials and labour?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:06 pm
by Bob_A
Have you tried these people.
http://www.jclubb.co.uk/
Not saying they will be cheaper (might be dearer!) but worth a call to see if your present supplier is competitive.
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:31 am
by lutonlagerlout
you dont seem to have allowed any time to point the slabs will, 53m2 will need a dry 4-5 hrs for 1 bloke.
there will be people somewhere on your turf that deliver,although giles once you get sarf of the watford gap,we havent got any quarries
i would of thought you could get 10 tonne loose for around £250 tops
is there no digging out to do will?
will you need a skip for all the rubbish thats generated?
LLL
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:56 am
by Wills gardens
forgot the pointing bit
have already priced in demo of exisiting patio and removal in the rest of the work
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:35 am
by TheVictorianCobbleCo
Have you tried Scott Brothers (Colin) in Aylesford near Maidstone for your slabs, 01622 717007 - cheaper than Bradstone and good quality - they would/could also point you to agregate suppliers.
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:21 pm
by cookiewales
lutonlagerlout wrote:you dont seem to have allowed any time to point the slabs will, 53m2 will need a dry 4-5 hrs for 1 bloke.
there will be people somewhere on your turf that deliver,although giles once you get sarf of the watford gap,we havent got any quarries
i would of thought you could get 10 tonne loose for around £250 tops
is there no digging out to do will?
will you need a skip for all the rubbish thats generated?
LLL
LLL IS THAT sand and cement pointing with trowel thats fast mmm ??? :;):
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:42 pm
by lutonlagerlout
600 by 600 slabs mr.cook :;):
lot less jointing than injun stone or setts
and i would be using a marshalltown jointing iron on concrete slabs rather than a trowel
but admittedly it would be more like a day for 1 experienced man
thing is if you have been on the knees for 5 hours the rest of the day is a bust
I did 68m2 of 450 by 450s last year on a very very long sunday, lets just say i wasnt doing a lot of dancing on the monday
LLL