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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:27 pm
by burtonreferees
Hi all,
I am heading to Spain to lay some slabs...12 inch by 12 inch...I am going to be pushed for time...can I lay them on ready mixed to save me time mixing? If so what typ of ready mix should I use?
Cheers,
Mick
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:46 pm
by cookiewales
you could yous leanmix but you will have to be quick mixing is the way to go unless your a pro do you have many to lay and what on cheers cookie:) 
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:00 pm
by burtonreferees
Will be laying around 250 1' x1' slabs. They will be laid on existing concrete slab..around a swimming pool...all level.
I have laid slabs before but a few years ago as a subbie.
I was thinking of having ready mix delivered on 2 seperate days, total area 70 sq m
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:29 pm
by cookiewales
still think mixing is right way to go you need some moisture in mix and a bond bridge on paving two days is a big ask 600 plus units needs to be a good mix for pool area :p :;): :;):70 m2 = 700 slabs
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:38 pm
by mickg
250 slabs at .300 x .300 is 22.5m2
so like cookie says 70m2 is more than 700 slabs
octoman would have trouble laying 350 slabs in a day let alone mere mortals like ourselves 
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:22 am
by lutonlagerlout
thats pushing it methinks
20-25M a day for a 2 man gang is more like it, on average
LLL
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:27 pm
by burtonreferees
I was calculating the area over a 2 day period...having ready mix delivered on 2 seperate days, total would be around 70 m2, but was trying to gauge it into manageable amounts.
May have to try for 3 ready mix deliveries.
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:44 pm
by cookiewales
i would say your still taken on to much in short space off time i have laid 100 ss m2 small paving oconnell stdublin you have to be very precise on small paving units they are harder to lay than big paving ie i would do up to 3 times more on big paving small paving like tiles needs to be laid to a high standerd other wise in sunlight it will look dog rough good luck :p :;): :;):
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:10 pm
by TheVictorianCobbleCo
Sorry lad, you're looking for a botch job!!!! how are you going to lay them, walk on those you've laid,try and screed as you go along, how you going to keep your lines straight? the ready mix will start going off within 3 hours and get more difficult to move, and I gaurantee yo are going to end up with slabs sitting 5 and 6mm proud. If the slabs are very uniform - vary within 3mm in thickness all over or better. First, tamp/wacker your base and get it uniformly hard. You can then make a damp mix About 5 - 1 and about 75mm thick minimum, lay this, tamp it and screed it smooth and flat with 1:60/80run-off. Throw Straight lines for guidance, both ways, then make a cement slurry, a jug at a time, pour a patch to seat each slab (1/2 to 1 cup at a time, and seat paver into place, tamp with rubber hammer and/or soft sole shoes. Keep your lines straight and discard wonky pavers (use for cuttings) This a compromise method but does work, , make sure you slabs are clean and wet the bottoms before seating them, add in a cup of pva into your slurry mix will assist adhesion. Grout and leave for 4 days at least, and when you're laying, walk ONLY on the middle of each slab.
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:48 pm
by dig dug dan
This was a 400sqm indian stone job we did, and we had 5m of screed delivered every day, a bobcat to shift it, and two guys laying. It took two weeks of laying to get the job done
Please note, that this was a car park area, and we advised the customer that indian stone was not suitable, especially as he insisted on having it laid upside down! and he supplied the stone, and it was all odd sizes.
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:27 pm
by GB_Groundworks
why upside down, what did you joint it with? that your bobcat which model and weight? were looking for one at moment to add to the fleet but want one that lift a pack of brick?
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:56 pm
by burtonreferees
http://www.casahaynes.co.uk/pool%202.htm
This is the area for slabbing, 10m x 5 m pool 1.5m width of paving around
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:57 pm
by dig dug dan
giles
Why upside down? beacuse the guy had somone pave his rear patio, and they laid them upside down, so he wanted to match. he thought that was the correct way, and insited we were wrong. He was one of those people who only used one part of the telephone if you get my drift!
Pointed using 3-1 soft sand , one man did it in 9 days. very boring.
The bobcat is an ageing 440, petrol. Its a 1985 model, and done 1200 hours. I brought it off a mate for 2k about 4 years ago.
going to get shot of it this year and a will never ever have a bobcat again. it is nearly impossible to replace the hoses on them when they burst, and the last one cost me £500 to have fixed due to the amount of labour involved in stripping everything down to get at it.
It only lifts around 300kg, but weighs 1.2 tonne. Not very impressed with them tbh.
I am going to get an Avant, possible the 5 series maybe the 4.
It weighs only 800kg, but lifts more than twice the bobcat. plus you can get to the engine (kubota) and all hydraulics
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:03 pm
by GB_Groundworks
yeah seen the advant in earthmovers and a civil's lad i know runs one with a rotavator, a bucket and forks on it. looks a really nice piece of kit and easily moved around on a trailer. been looking for a decent 2nd hand jcb robot or similar sized bobcat, new holland etc. on tight sites our telehandler is to big and you either have to drive it there at 20mph or pay to have it moved on wagon. want one i can drag round with the wagon and use to load the wagon.
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:07 pm
by lutonlagerlout
nice size job there dan
i laid 70 M 2 randomly for english heritage on
a grade 2 listed building ,the client couldn't afford yorkstone,so we got some injun stone off the net (+/-10 years ago)
we showed it to the powers that be and they wanted it as random as possible, they wanted it rustic and thats what they got
we had archaeologists going through every bit of spoil as we reduced the levels
priory house
regards LLL
