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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:02 pm
by John B
Hi, i'm newly registered, but i've visited as a guest a few times over the years.
My question is, transits can't tow 3.5ton, neither can many others, even 4x4s and the bigger 4 or 5 ton sprinters. What is so hard about towing 3.5 ton that they dont all do it?
As far as i'm aware only Landrovers, isuzu, canter, and iveco can.
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:16 pm
by GB_Groundworks
On highway you mean, it's only the law on private propert they can my 2.7 ton rated Navara has had over 5 tons of trailer on the back in a field
The Ford F-250 in USA can tow 19,000 lbs conventionally or 33000 on goose neck 5th wheel that like 8 ton or 16 ton on electric brakes lot easier to move kit around in USA
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:51 am
by seanandruby
I think it has to do with the vehicle nose weight.
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:49 am
by lutonlagerlout
a lot of what we call pick ups in the states Giles a re like 5 tonne with 7 litre engines
LLL
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:08 pm
by dig dug dan
John B wrote:Hi, i'm newly registered, but i've visited as a guest a few times over the years.
My question is, transits can't tow 3.5ton, neither can many others, even 4x4s and the bigger 4 or 5 ton sprinters. What is so hard about towing 3.5 ton that they dont all do it?
As far as i'm aware only Landrovers, isuzu, canter, and iveco can.
The new navaras and cabstars can tow 3.5tonnes. But remember, it doesnt mean you can load a trailer up with 3.5tonnes and then tow it, you have to include the weight of the trailer.
lets also not forget tacho rules!
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:46 pm
by GB_Groundworks
taco only applies if driving is the main part of your job if you are working within 100km carrying work tools you don't need a tacho on sub 12 ton
yeah i know tony f250 is 440 hp 
the big dually are awesome but the size of our 7.5 tonners
i follow a few USA earthmover on instagram and twitter they can tow a 5 ton mini and a 4 ton skid steer on a big tailer behind a pickup
I've seen transits tippers with 3 ton diggers on trailers or theres that photo of a transit with a jcb 803 on the back
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:07 pm
by dig dug dan
John B wrote:Hi, i'm newly registered, but i've visited as a guest a few times over the years.
My question is, transits can't tow 3.5ton, neither can many others, even 4x4s and the bigger 4 or 5 ton sprinters. What is so hard about towing 3.5 ton that they dont all do it?
As far as i'm aware only Landrovers, isuzu, canter, and iveco can.
The new navaras and cabstars can tow 3.5tonnes. But remember, it doesnt mean you can load a trailer up with 3.5tonnes and then tow it, you have to include the weight of the trailer.
lets also not forget tacho rules!
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:11 pm
by dig dug dan
GB_Groundworks wrote:taco only applies if driving is the main part of your job if you are working within 100km carrying work tools you don't need a tacho on sub 12 ton
yeah i know tony f250 is 440 hp the big dually are awesome but the size of our 7.5 tonners
i follow a few USA earthmover on instagram and twitter they can tow a 5 ton mini and a 4 ton skid steer on a big tailer behind a pickup
I've seen transits tippers with 3 ton diggers on trailers or theres that photo of a transit with a jcb 803 on the back
Almost right. If you hire out the equipment you are towing, you need one.
I got done for it on the m11. Now I put it on the truck to get round it
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:16 pm
by John B
I get what you're saying about vehicles being capable of actually towing 3.5 ton for example in a field. But why are they plated, if thats the correct term, at less than what they can comfortably cope with. I tow a 2.5 ton digger on an ifor plant trailer with a 110 landy. I used to tow it with a 190 transit untill i found out it was illegal, but i never had a practical problem doing it. And since the fine increases incrementally the more over weight you are found to be, it seems a bit daft.
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:54 pm
by dig dug dan
I agree. They need to relax the rules on o licences too up to 7.5 tonnes as it really restricts things
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:26 pm
by msh paving
i ran my 7.5t for 3 years with no operators licence from 97, never got pulled MSH 
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:33 pm
by dig dug dan
msh paving wrote:i ran my 7.5t for 3 years with no operators licence from 97, never got pulled MSH
If it were me, I would have been caught within a week!
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:40 pm
by msh paving
in them days VOSA was not like they are now, MSH
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:54 pm
by lutonlagerlout
all of this legislation saves lives
simple as that
PITA yes but safe as well
LLL
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:03 am
by GB_Groundworks
dig dug dan wrote:GB_Groundworks wrote:taco only applies if driving is the main part of your job if you are working within 100km carrying work tools you don't need a tacho on sub 12 ton
yeah i know tony f250 is 440 hp the big dually are awesome but the size of our 7.5 tonners
i follow a few USA earthmover on instagram and twitter they can tow a 5 ton mini and a 4 ton skid steer on a big tailer behind a pickup
I've seen transits tippers with 3 ton diggers on trailers or theres that photo of a transit with a jcb 803 on the back
Almost right. If you hire out the equipment you are towing, you need one.
I got done for it on the m11. Now I put it on the truck to get round it
Exactly, you were only delivering the tool so you were just driving!
If you carry your own machine then use it you don't need one per other criteria