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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:37 pm
by loudog
Hi to all, ive done a bit of block paving before for people but i have a client who wants their drive done out in the marshalls autumn multi clay paver, ive been told that clay pavers are harder to lay than block pavers, i can only guess as it must vary in sizes, please can anyone help me
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:11 pm
by msh paving
they are no different to standard concrete pavoirs to lay, the only thing is they wont cut with a standard probst block snapper, you need the clay pavoir cutter which has different blades in it, or you can disc cut them,the best thing with clay pavoirs is they don't fade like concrete ones do MSH 
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:15 pm
by jay-Manor Driveways
yeah they lay the same you wont have the really straite lines etc but that is the appeal of them and they dont fade , as for cutting you may get away with halves but you wont snap many angled cuts in a block splitter , i normally use a diamond blade to cut about 10-20mm then snap in the splitter 
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:23 pm
by loudog
ok thank you very much for your advice.
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:48 pm
by msh paving
There is very little point in cutting 10/20mm with disc cutter then snapping that is rough to say the least, clay pavoirs are not made to snap in a standard probst snapper,because off the uneven surface the need the multi section blade in the clay pavoir cutter, before i bought one HSS hire and speady hire had them for hire ata sensible hire rate,clay pavoirs w
ill chip very easy if not cut correctly and are to expensive to waste MSH
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:21 pm
by lutonlagerlout
err i may be wrong but i lay clays with a line,the small differences in size can soon make a driveway rack out of control without it,you only need the line every 1200 or so to keep things straight
i find they cut easily with a water attachment on the stihl
also need a edit* neoprene * edit mat on the wacker,tried the carpet trick once but it was an epic failure
LLL
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:55 pm
by jay-Manor Driveways
agreed you do need a line to keep them in check !!!
as for my comment on grinding 10/20mm it does work when the cut isnt at extreme angle but you are right it will chip when doing long cuts that is when ill cut all the way through
as rough thats 1 thing im not lol
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:00 pm
by msh paving
??? MSH
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:32 pm
by Tony McC
The laying is no more difficult than it would be for concrete blocks. The difficulties arise from alignment and cutting, as pointed out above.
For the alignment, you *MUST* use taut string lines as a guide. The paviors are not geometrically perfect rectangles like their concrete cousins, so they don't 'self-align'. You have to accept that some joints will be tighter or looser than others as each pavior is positioned according to the line, not according to its proximity to its neighbour.
For the cutting, you can get a purpose-made clay pavior splitter, but in all honesty, you'll experience less wastage using a cut-off saw. You MUST have dust suppression and I can;t recommend too strongly the use of a bench-mounted masonry saw rather than a standard hand-held cut-off saw. Standing upright, with no bent back or aching hamstrings is a better way of working and will help you be more accurate with your cutting.
There will *definitely* be a feature on laying clay pavers later this spring. The text is more or less written and the photos are being arranged as I type (or when I've finished typing this, to be totally honest!)
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:28 am
by loudog
Thank you very much for you comments, they have been very hepfull.
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:13 pm
by loudog
as to using a rubber sole on the wacker plate would a rubber car mat be ok or would it mark the pavers
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:32 pm
by GB_Groundworks
as stated by tony on another post its not rubber its neoprene
so, no a car mat certainly will not do.
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:58 pm
by lutonlagerlout
my bad maybe i should edit that
you hire the mat with the wacker
LLL
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:45 am
by TheVictorianCobbleCo
My sixpence worth, just so that you know I'm still around. 1)Hire the matt with the wacker, it costs so little extra and you cannot do without it. 2) In the laying - (this is an alternative to the string) which worked well for me. Generally the edge setts are haunched into place and give you side to side alignment. I then choose a larger sett to buttup to the previous line of setts, and do the same at the other end of the long straightedge that Ive placed 000000000000000000000000000
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I then fill in the cavity putting the row of setts up against the straightedge, which gives me nice straight lines. (I keep on moving the string to my frustration) It sounds cumbersome but you get the hang of it quite quickly.
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:43 pm
by loudog
as you are aware i have never layed the clay pavers, my friend has and he used conveyer belt on the bottom of his wacker and he said it was fine, i told him i went on this site and they said you cant use any sort of rubber to which he replied, Course you F***ing can, dont know what to do for the best,