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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:44 pm
by jvr
We used polymeric sand on paving stones but had a very hard rain before the process was complete. As a result, some areas of pavers have polymeric sand set on the surface. Is there any way to remove this?
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:05 am
by LandscapeMann
Hmnn,
I had a bit get on the end of some pavers where I joined up to a step I made from Ep Henry terrace wall.
I just used a sharp knife to peel of the excess. But I did not have the same situation as you did with the rain. There were very detailed instructions on application do's and dont's on the bag (Techniseal).
LM
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:17 am
by Paverman Dan
The elements should take care of the problem over time.
But, being that most homeowners are a bit impatient, I'd try sandpaper and efflorescence cleaner.
You should allow 24 hours of clear weather for polymeric sand to properly set. Fortunately, Techniseal has come out with High Performance polymeric sand that sets in SIX hours. Its about 6 bucks more a bag, but is great for these types of situations, and for pool decks.
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:15 pm
by Tony McC
So what price are you paying for TechniSeal, Dan?
The nearest equivalent product over here is the dreaded Geo-Fix that retails at around 20 quid for 10kg (22lbs). I'm guessing that you're not paying anywhere near that sort of ridiculous price.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:59 am
by LandscapeMann
Tony,
I just bought some techniseal. $20 USD for a 50 lb. bag.
I don't know how that compares to 20 quid for 22lb. ?
I don't know if I have the high horse power stuff that Dan speaks of.
LM
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:45 pm
by Tony McC
20 US dollary things is 10.90 quid and for that, you're getting 50 lbs in weight, so that is roughly 22p per pound.
Here in the land of the made-up prices, we're paying 20 quid for 22lbs, which is 91p per pound, or roughly 4.5 times the price you pay!
And then they wonder why we call it "Rip Off Britain"!!
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:37 am
by LandscapeMann
Tony McC wrote:20 US dollary things is 10.90 quid and for that, you're getting 50 lbs in weight, so that is roughly 22p per pound.
Here in the land of the made-up prices, we're paying 20 quid for 22lbs, which is 91p per pound, or roughly 4.5 times the price you pay!
And then they wonder why we call it "Rip Off Britain"!!
Wow,
I thought the $20 was high. I checked the bag today. It is actually 66 lb. bags for $20. I have only used it a few times.
But I am hooked. I really like the product.
Seems very strange that they can't offer it to you at a more resonable price. Is there only one company that makes it?
LM
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:34 am
by Paverman Dan
Techniseal's poly sand goes for about $20-25 a bag, and I can tell you for a FACT, while not the cheapest poly sand, there is no better poly sand on the U.S. market.
I have run into SEVERAL contractors that went for the cheaper poly sand that retails for $11-15 a bag. 90% of the time they come in plastic bags, which is a red flag, because plastic, unlike the paper bags that Techniseal stores their sand in, does not allow the sand to breath, causing condensation.
Condensation=water, which activates the poly sand . . IN THE BAG. You want that sand to activate IN THE JOINTS.
To make a long story short, these contractors then put the cheap sand in the joints, and the polymers, what they were, were already activated, and the sand failed.
They blew out the joints with a hose for the angry hameowner, and turned around and paid the extra whole $10 a bag for the Techniseal.
The High Performance stuff is the best of the best. It retails for over . . . . *gasp* $30 a bag, but is ideal for pool decks, high traffic areas, and large joints.
There are a handful of other poly sand producers that provide the sand in paper bags, but Techniseal actually imports aggregates into Canada to make their sand the best.
Here's the bottom line on a 1000 sf job: you can buy 10 bags of cheap ass Super Sand, or Ultra Sand, whatever they are called . . . . . for $100 . . . then a year later spend $500-$1000 in labor blowing out the sand, and the extra money to replace it.
Or, for $200-$300, you can put in a truly high quality prodcut, and sleep at night.
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