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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:19 pm
by lutonlagerlout
today a Marks and Spencer BLT sandwich was cleared of having margarine in it
on a serious note another celeb is cleared of being a dirty old man
the kiddy fiddlers and rapists deserve all they get
but if travis was found guilty most men of my father's generation would be guilty too
up until the end of the 80's women young and old could not walk past a site without a torrent of vulgar abuse
I am not saying it was right but it has taken a while for attitudes to change
about 5 years ago while driving through leighton buzzard we pulled up at the lights next to 2 twenty-ish ladies in a car
the 2 lads next to me noticed (okay me as well)
spontaneously both ladies pulled up their tops and flashed at us
obviously we thought it was great ,but if the shoe was on the other foot we would have been in the mire
anyway I dont think you can judge things that happened 30 years ago by todays standards
i remember when they banned urinating on sites
how the lads howled,but you wouldnt even dream of it these days
cheers LLL
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:24 pm
by Carberry
Think people forget how big these celebrities were back then too, they would have had girls of all ages throwing themselves at them fanny first.
Should have never gone to court and if there really was a crime they should have reported it 30 years ago when it happened.
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:26 pm
by Stuarty
lutonlagerlout wrote:anyway I dont think you can judge things that happened 30 years ago by todays standards
I agree with you to an extent, some things obviously are illegal/immoral both now and still would have been 30 years ago.
But, how can you prove or disprove something that happened so far back? I for one can barely remember what i had for my tea last night nevermind 5, 10, 15 years ago
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:29 pm
by lutonlagerlout
a lot of my family in scotland (just my experience probably the same elsewhere)
always seemed to have additional brothers and sisters
this as I was told was where wee maimee fell pregnant by chance or wee jackie had a *throwback*
a lot of sex crime was not reported as the victim was seen to be asking for it back in the 40-50-60s
women should be able to go about their lives without all that and the way most blokes think today reflects that
but very difficult to judge historical crimes
I think i mentioned it before but an old boss of mine was a guest on blue peter in the 70's (he was in his 20's) as a formula 2 racing driver
he said he never slept alone for weeks afterwards on the strength on a couple of tv appearances
and before anyone says pedo,you gotta remember there were only 3 channels then so lots of people other than kids watched blue peter
LLL
PS welcome back stuarty,long time mate 
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:42 pm
by Stuarty
Cheers LLL has been a while indeed. Are celebs from that era easy pickings for certain folk who think they can go down the cop shop, make an accusation and sit back and hopefully wait on hushmoney/compensation? Probably.
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:58 pm
by lemoncurd1702
Stuarty wrote:Cheers LLL has been a while indeed. Are celebs from that era easy pickings for certain folk who think they can go down the cop shop, make an accusation and sit back and hopefully wait on hushmoney/compensation? Probably.
Think that about sizes it up.
In fact I remember in junior and comp school being whacked in front of class by some sadistic PE teacher. It has affected me all my life, if it hadn't happened maybe I would have a job where I didn't have to work in the rain on my hands and knees.
Thinking of taking those schools to court for that. Anyone know a good shyster.
Joking, but seriously this is the type of thing it's leading too. Mind you Mr.Michaels he was a right bar steward, had this thing he called the 2:2. Two 2 metre rules together, double whammy and a red face. Ooow.
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:04 pm
by lutonlagerlout
step forward mr mc$%^&* our physics teacher
he was quick with a right hander if if felt you were taking the mick
having said that we behaved in his classes
LLL
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:41 pm
by mickg
exactly and certain teachers gained respect from kids mainly due to the fact if you misbehaved you had to go home and explain to your parents the reason you had the shape of the blackbord duster embossed on the rear of your school blazer
our metalwork teacher had a white slip on gym shoe he used to give you a crack with if you was not paying attention, he would come at you from behind with a bit of a run and a jump in the air and land it on your backside - it made sure you was listening the next time
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:35 pm
by lemoncurd1702
Ha ha , there were some good uns though, one or maybe two and I remember them more than the bad uns.
Seriously though what I'm saying is: bad Johnny smacked me in the nose circa 1979, can I take him to court now for damages?
This ain't mudder, it was normal for it's time as was having the cane, dap or 2:2 or maybe goosing that peachy butt.
There are certain reprehensible acts which have been committed by mankind in the past which deserve judgement. There are some which were accepted (not right)back then which would see you locked up today.
Teachers, POLICEMEN, etc beware!
Please let common sense-not the money grabbers-prevail.
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:19 am
by Tony McC
Post Savile, there seems to be an appetite for claims against 'names' from the past. As LLL said, the morals of the 60s and 70s were different, and I wonder is it right to judge someone using 21st century morals for deeds that took place in a previous age? 300 years ago, witch burning was accepted and now we wouldn't dream of using it as a so-called deterrent, but that doesn't mean we have to put on trial those involved. They were reacting to the prevailing attitudes of their times.
I'm sure some of the claims we've seen over recent months involve people who were young and foolish back in the day and now regret what they did, which has prompted them to seek redress, usually spurred on by tabloid interest and the possibility of a lucrative ripoff. I'm also sure some of the names did little or nothing to fend off such approaches, and equally, I'm sure some names actually instigated such incidents.
Is the spate of trials involving telly-people simply a knee-jerk reaction by a judicial system frightened of being seen as ineffective following the Savile revelations? Are they now pursuing cases that boil down to 'he said, she said'? If the prosecution has hard evidence, then go after the buggers, but when it's vague memories from 30+ years ago and sepia-tinted recollections, is it worth getting the tabloid circus all of a lather again? Right or wong, guilty or innocent, DLT was right in saying he'd been subjected to two trials: one in the court and one in the lower-end media. That can't be right.
As for 'disciplinarian' teachers, we had a hard-drinking, motorbike riding, leather-clad, Glaswegian priest teaching music who thought nothing of giving you an uppercut, the full bare-knuckle fist to the face, if you angered him. How that man was allowed to teach I will never understand. He was instrumental in me becoming an atheist. I couldn't reconcile such anger and violence with the simultaneous claim of being deeply and devoutly christian.
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:56 am
by seanandruby
I had some tough teachers to but non as hard faced as sister Vincent who abused me mentally, maybe sexually but that part is a blank. But I could quite easily force a memory and think it was sexual. I thought for many years in light of the abuse in the catholic church of saying something but the old witch is probably dead, buried and in purgatory by now f@+*** old cow. Lol
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:24 pm
by higgness
When I was 10, our teacher, a Presentation brother was out sick for a week. We had great fun at the expense of the young sub teacher. When the brother came back and found out what had happened, I managed to arrive at the top of the list for a major beating. He was still to sick to do anything, I was lucky, he told me to bring in my mother first thing the next day. Big mistake, my mild mannered (great) mum, tore the head of him in front of the whole school for scaring the living shit out of her baby. He never looked in my direction afterwards, I was a school hero for about 2 days. This brother had in the past delivered some massive beating to kids, we accepted as a way of keeping us in line. The teachers my kids have in primary are great, love there jobs, and love the kids, and would be horrified at some of the stories I could tell.
Still very proud of my Mum.
Anyway, when I went to secondary school, my brother warned me to not be left alone with a particular Christian Brother. I laughed not understanding. I had no contact with this person. 20 years later he is convicted in court of sexual abuse. I found it strange that a parent had not been told and come in and killed him. It was a tough area where I went to school.
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:26 pm
by Bob_A
lutonlagerlout wrote:about 5 years ago while driving through leighton buzzard we pulled up at the lights next to 2 twenty-ish ladies in a car
the 2 lads next to me noticed (okay me as well)
spontaneously both ladies pulled up their tops and flashed at us
I wonder what would've happened if you had reported them for indecent exposure?
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:20 pm
by lutonlagerlout
the old bill would have probably asked for a look as well
LLL :;):
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:01 pm
by Tony McC
higgness wrote:Anyway, when I went to secondary school, my brother warned me to not be left alone with a particular Christian Brother.
We had a similar 'Pastoral Care' priest at the college I was sentenced to attend for 5 of the unhappiest years of my life. Every boy in the school knew from Day 2 that to accept the offer to view his fascinating collection of sea shells, which he kept in his room, meant you'd be....and there's no other term for it....sexually assualted.
*Every* boy in the school knew about this, but apparently, none of the masters or his fellow priests had the slightest inkling. How can that be? How can an administration that seemed to know about every time I clambered over the wall for a quick ciggy before double maths, not know about a serial offender in their midst? Highly convenient blind eye, that's how!