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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:30 am
by mickg
a thread on landscape juice about power washing started off as they do nice a gentle until someone who knows naff all about the subject posts you can't power wash block paving
Power washing block paving
in response to Mark's and my comments he posts a new thread with sarcastic comments relating to the power washing thread including photos of a driveway
block paving
streuth I would ashamed to post photos of a driveway like that and is an insult to the tegula blocks, but hey ho we are all different
in-between time he finally decides to spend a bit of time learning about cleaning block paving and can a power washer be used and low and behold he finds the info he required on paving expert
I can't wait for Duncan to join the brew cabin 
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:40 am
by lutonlagerlout
hahaha
to be fair mick his block paving technique looks fine from here,just lacks a little pizazz
I love it when the GC kick off 
duncan has just put 20,000 blokes out of work
LLL
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:25 am
by msh paving
I seam to have upset one "juicer",
have only made about 4 posts on there,most have been to correct miss guided lawn cutters , MSH
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:24 am
by cookiewales
You boyos seem to have upset the lawn cutters hope Duncan is not using a roller in this weather it will be stuck in his suds
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:43 pm
by local patios and driveway
I thought he was pretty good admitting he was wrong but i hate people giving advice online and it being fiction. Ps if the paving has been laid on building sand it will ruin the levels by using a pressure washer. Just an extra point missed...
...im off to cut the grass
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:35 pm
by mickg
put your double glazing on Tony and look at the laying patten on the last photo, first 5 - 6 rows starting on the left hand side, it might be OK to lay tegula that way in bonny Scotland but from where I am sitting there is no integrity with the laying pattern having straight lines from row to row
he must get better prices than me to lay a foundation for the kerbs then to bed the kerbs on mortar the following day ? - double work
but who am I to tell someone they are laying it wrong, that's their choice
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:51 pm
by lutonlagerlout
bah he has deleted them 
you know what i mean though mick,when you said it was bad i was expecting pikey style
I have built conservatorys on less foundation that those ones he dug for the kerbs
I spoke to our well known cleaning expert today and jetwashers in the wrong hands are a menace,but obviously people that do it for a living tend to know what they are doing
duncy defo has the hots for you mick :;):
made me chuckle all morning till a sudden shower came and did me a wrong un on my newly gun pointed patio 
my mates missus rings as we are trying to cover the now wet pointing and asks him "can you see the rainbow?"
I said "if you dont get off the effing phone you will be seeing stars never mind rainbows"
the worst was BBC weather gave it dry and sunny all day till 7 tonight,apart from pishing down for 10 minutes that is grrrr
LLL
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:11 pm
by mickg
gun pointed patio ?
you don't mean the same one you was going to use weatherpoint on do you ?
>>>>duncy defo has the hots for you mick
ha ha I know I thought the same, it must be due to living in the back end of beyond and does not have much contact with human beings
a curtain twitcher hiding behind a made up user name
our forecast in the north west for the last 2 days was suppose to be horrendous weather when in fact its been dry and sunny where I have been working but in costa del bolton today its battered it down with rain and thunder and lighting
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:56 pm
by lutonlagerlout
i read the spec and it talked of the base being permeable
as we lay on a wettish 50mm bed of 6:1 i wouldnt call that super permeable
so with the blinding forecast i decided to gunpoint it
c'est la vie
after geo and rompox I am finding it hard to find love again with an exotic lady :;):
LLL
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:27 am
by mickg
where did you read the specification what says the base needs to be permeable, I have checked the weatherpoint specification sheet and I can't find any reference to it ?
Marshall's Weatherpoint main page
installation guide
technical data
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:45 am
by lutonlagerlout
just paranoid i guess mick
looked at all the possibilities
but the weather forecast was very good
and the client wanted sand and cement
incidentally we have refined pink pavings pointing gun mix
using a 1 litre tin jug (sorry mrs lout)
15 plastering sand
4 multicem
1 rapid set cement
3 sachets of feb mix( powder)
2 litres of water
this mix worked pretty good all day,
till it rained of course
LLL
all the dry materials were sifted through a riddle then dry mixed with a paddle mixer
water then added and mixed again
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:55 am
by Bob_A
Thanks for sharing the gun mix.
How does the application and the final finish compare with Easipoint.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:07 pm
by Tony McC
That's a *LOT* of plasticiser, Tone. You can overdose on the stuff, you know! In high concentrations, it can weaken the mortar. There are so-called 'super-plasticisers' which achieve a high plasticity without compromising the strength of the mix. Several of the proprietary pumpable mortars rely on such additives.
I had a lad pointing a gable end for me in the early 80s and, relying on the wealth of wisdom gleaned in his total of 16 summers on this planet, he decided to "improve the workability" of the mortar and make it 'stickier' for those vertical joints by replacing ALL of the gauging water with liquid Feb. It certainly made for a more pliable mortar, but it also made for a very brown, crumbly mortar with a definite whiff of coal tar!
Whole lot had to be cut out (6" nail through a short length of roofing batten) and re-done. He never did it again.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:00 pm
by lutonlagerlout
well between myself and mr pink we have been trying to emulate the success of easipoint without the £25 a bag price tag
we tried it last time out without the addition of rapid set and it took 5 hours before we could joint it
so with 20 % rapid set it went off quicker but by no means fast
also we tried it with less feb and it just didnt have the workability
I like the little packets of feb its almost idiot proof
1 sachet in a mix
I always point 5mm high so that when you do strike it you are compressing whats there
of course like geo--- and rom--- it could fail
but the other 2 I have done this year have gone off well
only time will tell
my biggest worry with any brush in product is the dreaded jetwashers,as detailed in this very thread
folk arent happy unless they can lift something with a jet washer
:;):
LLL
PS bob the mix as described above flows just like easipoint,a slightly grainier finish
cost around £15 for 65m but,BIG BUT took me and 2 lads all day
time will tell
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:58 pm
by Brucieboy
LLL - Tony is quite correct about overdosing Febmix - assuming you're using the small sachets of DH. The recommended dosage is 1 sachet per 25 kg of cement. If you're using 5 litres of cement, which weighs about 6 kg, you're using four times the recommended dosage. Although DH is known as a plasticiser, it also entrains air. The correct air content will improve resistance to frost damage, however, too much will be detrimental resulting in a porous, weak mortar that given a few frosts could fail. In your earlier post you refer to 3 sachets in your mix, yet in the last one you say it's one?
