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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:56 pm
by Pablo
The next f#cker that tries to convince me that they're a good idea is gonna get the good news right between the eyes and a size 12 up their hole for good measure. Nuff said bring on the sh#t storm.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:28 pm
by lutonlagerlout
well i suppose the problem is the way they are trying to railroad public sector workers into working longer for less
the reason we are so fecked (apart from welfare but dont get me on that) is that coppers nurses soldiers etc can retire at 50 and live another 35 years on 2/3 pay index linked
I cannot afford a pension as I would have to pay in £150 P/w to get anything at 65
strike all you like ,but 2 +2 must equal 4 ,it cannot =5
LLL
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:48 am
by ilovesettsonmondays
i wish andy carroll would go on strike . hes fast becoming the berbatov of anfield 
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:30 am
by mickavalon
I am struggling to have much sympathy/empathy with the strike. The Public Sector has grown massively in the last few years, hasn't really suffered in this downturn, yes they are being forced into an agreement they may not like, but so have the rest of us. I probably won't receive a pension, nor will my Wife(She's a lecturer, but on a part time contract), I know a few "Retired" with healthy pensions and new careers, I'm at home today. losing a days pay, to look after the kids, due to the strike, and what benefit is it to me or my family.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:47 am
by seanandruby
so we sit back and do nothing.? Do like we did in the seventies when we ( builing and construction industry ) came out in support of the miners. My wife has worked hard for her nurses pension, now she has to work longer, they are trying to downgrade her so she gets less pay. If you paid into something most of your life, then surely you should get what was promised. I think a life time of carring for patients and watching them die entitles you to a few years of rest.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:51 am
by seanandruby
p s pablo could you wear your slippers instead of your steel toecaps m8 :;): :laugh:
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:14 pm
by parishpaver
They don't realise that their employer is bust and is living on borrowed time and money.
Striking over pay and conditions.....give me a break.
I reckon most of us on here (sat at home losing money, looking after kids) are working for less than we were a couple of years ago and still paying ever more tax/council tax to fund the retirement plans of the public sector.
Just have a look at the bottom of your council tax bill to see how much of your hard earned is going to fund thirty years of sun, sand and skiing for some no-mark council bigwig.
And as for nurses...their choice of career. Staff in nursing homes do roughly similar work/watch people die without similar pension conditions.
It's long time the gravy train came to a shuddering halt.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:21 pm
by ilovesettsonmondays
aye but who sent them bust :;):
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:38 pm
by parishpaver
It would be easy to blame the bankers for the country's financial situation but the fault lies with gutless politicians who agreed to a bailout for the banks and who have bought public sector votes over the years by bending over and giving in to unsustainable demands.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:54 pm
by London Stone Paving
Lets be honest, all our opinions on this subject are motivated and driven by self interest.
Sean, i would be equally as annoyed as you are if my wife was in the situation that yours is in. It seems unfair that the government are moving the goal post's after people have paid in all thier lives.
On the otherhand why should the private sector be paying for the public sector to have pensions which are so more favourable than whats on offer for people in the private sector. Why is that fair?
Both sides have got valid argument's, the only difference is that public sector have got the strong union and solidarity to stand up and do anything about it. There will be a compromise eventually and we'll go back to business as usual.
I do think that union's need to tread very carefully. Take Bob Crow, that bloke has singlehandedly bought forward the project for driverless tube trains by about ten years. He's supposed to be looking after his members but in reality his actions are going to be responsible for destroying the industry he claims to love.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:27 pm
by ilovesettsonmondays
bob has most definately brought forward the driverless tube project. lsp. by the time it happens though old bob will be retired.definately lives in the past with his views .with such a money spinner as the tube , he can get away with it i'm afraid . as for pensions in the public sector . most people who work in it only stayed there because pensions were always better.we would all be peed off if we were in their shoes . promised one thing . get another.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:51 pm
by lutonlagerlout
I know an ex-copper
retired at 49 was on 30k a year but gets 20k index linked till he snuffs it
he said its great as you dont have the travel and other expenses you do when working full time
he also gets various part time jobs ,"invigilating" at exams ,stuff like that £25 p/h
now if he lives to 75 he will have had the guts of 3/4 of a million quid
during his 22 years service (fair play i would not do the job) he would have had to pay in 30 k per year for that to add up
and this is the problem with public sector pensions
my old man has paid in to a private pension for 17 years at £100 p/w
he is 66 years old and they are offering him £75 p/w now, if he leaves it till he is 70 then they will give him £90p/w
private pensions are the biggest scam going IMHO
His IFA got a mountain of fees and other admin stuff,so basically my auld man was paying him £20 per week admin
the only hope for blokes like us is to try and get a flat/ house to do up and rent out
at least they cannot take that off you
(well untill you go into the home)
LLL
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:06 pm
by parishpaver
It would be a braver man than me that invested in UK property right now, luton.
Guns, gold and baked beans a much sounder investment 
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:35 pm
by lutonlagerlout
property always comes good parish
plus its yours to sell if you want
location is the key issue with getting good tenants
LLL
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:20 pm
by parishpaver
Not sure I see the logic there to be honest.
Are you saying that only good tenants go for rental property in good locations?