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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:55 pm
by mickavalon
Has anyone any experience in resin set surfaces. I've just been given a spec to quote on, and part of it asks for 17m2 of "Sureset" resin bound gravel. I got a quote for supply and fit from Sureset which was for 50mm maximum Binder course and 24mmof 10mm resin bound, which came out at £7,080.00 odd, seems a bit dear. Can you purchase the materials yourself? Does anyone do it?
The projects in Birmingham.
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:20 pm
by lutonlagerlout
my only experience is of the other type, resin bonded, we had 350m2 of tarmac laid by others ,then it was 7k for the resin bonded stuff
still there 10 years on
LLL
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:48 pm
by Pablo
that price is absolutely crazy I've done 2 separate jobs this year of about 47m each. First one was ronacrete and was subbed at a cost of about 3 grand + vat inc binder. I bought and laid the materials myself on the next one but subbed the binder. Resin and gravel was from greenleaf and came in at under a grand but had real trouble finding a forced action mixer. Laying it was a 3-4 man job but it was a doddle.
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:54 pm
by haggistini
Sounds like a lot of fecking about for a sand paper Finnish
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:03 pm
by Pablo
it is haggi and it's a bloody expensive fix if you mess it up.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:29 am
by simeonronacrete
There are two distinct types of hard landscaping resin finish.
Bound is trowel applied at 15mm (typical).
Bonded is roller applied resin and aggregate then cast in to wet resin. Typically 2-3mm thick.
Costs for both vary, and costs of both are of course higher if a new base has to be constructed, e.g. concrete or tarmac.
it's a bloody expensive fix if you mess it up
. Dare I suggest this is the reason for subbing out to a specialist unless you're suitably experienced and qualified to lay it for a paying client. Anyone wanting to learn how to apply a Ronacrete system are invited to contact me. Details below.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:38 am
by mickavalon
This was a quote for a small area 17m2, we've quoted to lay the base, Tarmac, and then get Sureset to top it out. I would be interested in looking into training though.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:46 am
by Pablo
simeonronacrete wrote:it's a bloody expensive fix if you mess it up
. Dare I suggest this is the reason for subbing out to a specialist unless you're suitably experienced and qualified to lay it for a paying client. Anyone wanting to learn how to apply a Ronacrete system are invited to contact me. Details below.
dare i suggest thats not what i meant. It's very easily damaged and a patch repair costs hundreds of pounds in materials alone. I've seen clients drive on it when wet I've seen it soften and release because it's come into contact with petrol/ sealant and other cleaners and solvents and i've had aggregate from yourself that was bought on 2 separate occasions but used on the same job and labelled the same but were totally different tones when applied meaning a complete resurface. It's a hard sell when you couple that with it's cost which is more expensive than a high quality stone driveway which lasts longer looks better and is cheaper to fix and less easily damaged.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:55 pm
by simeonronacrete
Hi
Clients driving on it when wet is not a reflection of its resilience and performance, but of their impatience and failure to follow the instructions given. The same would be true of any surface that requires time to develop trafficable strength.
Our tests and site expereince suggest an occasional petrol leak from a car shouldn't cause a problem. Our resin bound hard landscaping surfaces are not designed to resist "solvents" or "cleaners".
As to "aggregate from yourself ....." does this refer to a specific project as you don't show the name of your company so cannot trace an order to you. Please PM me or call me.
Finally "It's a hard sell when .....". I obviously cannot comment on your own personal experiences but can say we have many thousands of square metres of successful projects and many satisfied one-off and repeat commercial and domestic clients and new installers regularly coming on board to purchase and lay the products in our system.
Please do call me to discuss.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:53 pm
by lutonlagerlout
well you cant ask for more than that pablo
when the lads addagrip i believe did it for us,they knew what they were doing
once you start spreading resin its game on
plus they had an industrial street sweeper come along the next day and pick up all the loose
I wouldnt fancy doing it on a job after a couple of days training though
LLL
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:13 pm
by simeonronacrete
Spreading resin and sweeper suggests application of Resin Bonded
I was referring to Resin Bound
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:39 pm
by local patios and driveway
I would love to do some training regarding these products, what are the options?
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:19 pm
by Pablo
simeonronacrete wrote:Clients driving on it when wet is not a reflection of its resilience and performance, but of their impatience and failure to follow the instructions given. The same would be true of any surface that requires time to develop trafficable strength.
Our tests and site expereince suggest an occasional petrol leak from a car shouldn't cause a problem. Our resin bound hard landscaping surfaces are not designed to resist "solvents" or "cleaners".
As to "aggregate from yourself ....." does this refer to a specific project as you don't show the name of your company so cannot trace an order to you. Please PM me or call me.
Finally "It's a hard sell when .....". I obviously cannot comment on your own personal experiences but can say we have many thousands of square metres of successful projects and many satisfied one-off and repeat commercial and domestic clients and new installers regularly coming on board to purchase and lay the products in our system.
Please do call me to discuss.
My overall point was about how easily damaged it is and the costs involved in sorting it out.
Admittedly the clients wife was blonde and even got out of the Landrover to move our cones so she could drive into the garage she'd been warned but forgot and it all had to come up.
The petrol example was overflow from filling a mower on it and caused a 12" bubble which was patched at a cost of £200ish for materials alone and it didn't blend well so looked obvious.
The aggregate was from yourself but was supplied and laid by a subbie who relaid it all at his own expense. I saw all the bags and the labelling was correct I suppos the probelm arose because as you move through a gravel pit the aggregate colour can vary which is fine when it's loose but again obvious when it's bound. This can be a problem with patching to.
I like the finish and do use it but I feel it's to expensive and precious so I'm very wary of it. A lot of commercial projects have been done in Belfast using it and most look a bit tatty after a few years but to have doen the same surface with granite would've been cheaper and will only get better with age.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:29 pm
by simeonronacrete
Hi "Local"
Please give me a call.
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:00 pm
by resintraining
Try an independent training course. Touchstone do one look on touchstonefloors.co.uk. We have been doing courses since 2003 and there are loads of testimonials from other people who have attended the course. we wont make you an expert but it will certainly minimise any likely mistakes. Paul