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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:59 pm
by lutonlagerlout
donations from the public
and it turns out 1 of their (cough cough)leaders may have misappropriated funds
its bad enough they are drinking starbucks coffee ,but I am sure half of them sneak off for baths etc
LLL
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:15 pm
by seanandruby
L S P....when have i mentioned Tarquin? If i could get a grand a day for now't i'd take it. My motto is '' i come from a large poor family who sometimes had to go hungry, shoeless, so take what you can, when you can.'' If joe public are silly enpough to give it then who am i to say: no ta ??? Morals go out of the window when your hungry, tired and freezing.
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:32 pm
by ilovesettsonmondays
sneak off for a bath lll . it was in the paper or on london tonight cant remember which one that alot of them go home at nightime and sleep at home . 
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:36 pm
by Pablo
Oh dear I should've kept my mouth shut I was having a rant because I had a polite chat with a fella in the local merchants who was giving it the Citizen Smith come the revolution brother speech in front of several others like me and TBH he was lucky to get out alive. So here's my pennys worth.
I agree that it's a tough pill to swallow for them but what choice is there the Uk overspent by 15 billion last month alone and thats the story for pretty much every month of the last few years. The servants and unions answer to everything is spend more money and punish the rich and the bankers but their economics are to simplistic and more about vengence than actually sorting the mess out. The city owes 2.5 billion in uncollected debt to the treasury and if you added a further say half billion in bonuses that were taken from those who didn't deserve them we've then only overspent by 12 billion this month but then thats a one off payment so where does the rest of the money come from. You can't overtax the rich because being rich has to be aspirational and wealthy people create jobs and industry if you made it unpleasant for them they'd all leave or not bother investing so you have to just leave them alone it's better than the alternative.
Sean I feel for you and your family but the problem has arisen becuase when agenda for change came in and all pay bands were restructured everyone got a pay increase well above the rate of inflation. This was around the time of that massive government injection of cash into the NHS that was meant to be spent on infrastructure and fighting infection etc but it all got swallowed up by wage rises to keep the unions happy. The private sector now earns on average 40% less than their public counterpart with them also enjoying a further £2000 of additional annual fringe benefits and it's not just post crash this was pretty much par for the course pre crash to. Also until recently the civil service junior ranks advanced through the pay grades on time served not on experience gained and quallity of work and when they neared retirement they'd be bumped up a few grades so they'd get even more money because it's based on final salary and not overall earnings. Basically most of the civil service is now over paid and in a position that labour shouldn't have allowed to happen and the Tories have the unsavoury task of trying to get everyone back onto the wages they should be getting which is whats happening to your wife.
I put the blame for all of this square at the feet of the unions and Labour this storm started way before the elections it's just Brown masked it with his credit card and now the parties over the money's run out. I think that non civil servants frustration is being directed at the strikers because they feel they don't get how lucky they are and how bad things are but also it's partly due to how poor they are with regards service provision and fiscal responsibility. I personnally have had just as many positive as negative experiences of government services and at the end of the day the person you're trying to get to sort out your problem is under no obligation to do anything about it and is also unlikely to be pulled up for doing their job badly. That coupled with union meddling means even when a workplace tries to sort something out or retask staff it can't.
Examples I've encountered recently are.
My local council still does a twice mounthly green waste collection throughout the winter even though there's no bins to collect. The bin men get to go home after only doing a 3 hr shift but get paid a full day so the council has tried to retask them onto other things like the recycling centre etc so they do a full day but the union says no they stirke we don't get our bins emptied and they drop it.
My sister in law is a Firewoman and she tells me they get fat leave if they become unable to do the job due to being overweight. Fair enough but it's open ended and there are no targets in place so if they don't lose the flab they can be sacked. One of her colleagues has been off now for 18 months on full pay and because he's a union rep he's untouchable. I could go on about bribes I've been asked to give and all the spanish practices the unions keep defending but I'm a slow typer.
When the unions say they're defending the services for the public it's the very opposite they're totally ruining them and ultimately doing their members out of jobs due to leaving no option but gradual privatisation just like they did in the seventies. Now we have a civil service where the staff are overpaid unaccountable both financially and professionally and when they do f#ck up they're virtually unsackable and many still feel they're hard done by is it any wonder folk are giving them a hard time.
As for firefighters and nurses whilst it's an emotive subject the truth is much different from the myth. Firefighters rarely if ever enter a burning dangerous building mostly the person wil already be dead or will have escaped before they get there 95% of their work these days is inspections and education. The majority of nurses aren't in A&E or critical care most have a fairly easy life inoculating babies arses and helping Agnes to the toilet etc so the majority have nothing to complain about.
I think this discussion would be best conducted in a bar with some Guinness and comedy oversized boxing gloves.
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:03 pm
by flowjoe
Comes down to a different mind set, i can honestly say that i have had less than 8 days off sick in 27 years, worked many days when i shouldnt and was probably a waste of space when i turned in but it had to be done.
Had a few mates on the post in the 80/90s, they had a set round based on 8hrs, they would bang it out in a morning and do a second round or leaflets in the afternoon and get double bouble, one post a day now and they dont leave the sorting office until 10am - Fact !
Speaking to a postie the other day who told me a colleague said he wouldnt be in the following week because he was owed some sick leave, OWED SICK LEAVE because he had not been ill for a while and he knows it is factored in by the unions/employers so therefore it is a given.
FFS somebody turn the lights off on the way out, this country is doomed
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:30 pm
by rab1
know a lad who works for the nhs who fanceys a 6wk christmas break as such, got the sick line on friday due to stress and still has his 2wks at the end of his sick leave to take.
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:36 pm
by Pablo
flowjoe wrote:Comes down to a different mind set, i can honestly say that i have had less than 8 days off sick in 27 years, worked many days when i shouldnt and was probably a waste of space when i turned in but it had to be done.
Had a few mates on the post in the 80/90s, they had a set round based on 8hrs, they would bang it out in a morning and do a second round or leaflets in the afternoon and get double bouble, one post a day now and they dont leave the sorting office until 10am - Fact !
Speaking to a postie the other day who told me a colleague said he wouldnt be in the following week because he was owed some sick leave, OWED SICK LEAVE because he had not been ill for a while and he knows it is factored in by the unions/employers so therefore it is a given.
FFS somebody turn the lights off on the way out, this country is doomed
My sister in law got pulled by the union for not taking a sick day they told her she needs to take at least 10 days a year to keep the stats right.
All the bin men were working double time today doing wednesdays collection so not only did they not lose a days pay they got another one on top it's a complete piss how do they expect sympathy when it's tantamount to collective robbery.
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:40 am
by Bob_A
London Stone Paving wrote:Everyone is just looking after their own interests which is fair enough, no else is going to do it for you. Things change though, nothing is for ever......................
Looking after yourself. I think that's one thing we can all agree with.
Change is inevitable, I think most of us accept that as well.
By where do you draw the line?
Remember what Sean said. What if you went to the bank to withdraw £100 and they only gave you £90 and kept £10 for themselves.
As for public sector workers having cushy jobs.
Well very few do know but yes many of them where getting away with murder.
But that's a seperate issue and I don't see that a reason to reduce the pension.
So which is better?
Pensions should be cut
Or pensions shouldn't be cut .
There's only one way to find out...........FIGHT!
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:44 am
by London Stone Paving
seanandruby wrote:L S P....when have i mentioned Tarquin?
You didn't Sean, it was henpecked. i was hoping you wouldnt notice :;): :laugh:
I take it all back, your not bitter :;):
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:17 am
by seanandruby
.........I always read the small print, might not understand it but still have a go :;): Not bitter just like a row :laugh:
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:19 pm
by henpecked
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:23 am
by Carberry
I've not got any issues with differences between class. I am pissed off that the big investment firms knew what they were doing, knew they were too big to fail, massively f*cked up got tens of billions of bonuses, got bailed out, still f*ck up and still get their bonuses.
If I did that I would be in jail.
