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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:04 pm
by local patios and driveway
damn, i got raped on this forum for having a few darts on a driveway i posted pictures of. im not knocking anyones work its all very nice but there seems to be lots of ass kissing here..
like the murphys.. im not bitter... 
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:34 pm
by London Stone Paving
Not a big fan of the squaring off kits either. It just looks like a square plonked in the middle of the patio. Circles look way better without the kit
Nice portfolio of work pablo
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:54 pm
by lutonlagerlout
local patios and driveways wrote:damn, i got raped on this forum for having a few darts on a driveway i posted pictures of. im not knocking anyones work its all very nice but there seems to be lots of ass kissing here..
like the murphys.. im not bitter...
take note mate
most clued up lads post pictures of the finished jobs
i like to post warts and all pictures,but its easy to find fault that way
cant make an omlette without breaking eggs
:;):
LLL
ps i feel that i have learned a lot over the last 7 years i have used PE and BC
no more clouds of dust on our jobs
inboard cutting
screed rails
but we have to be hard on each other
keep the standards up IYKWIM
cheers
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:58 pm
by lutonlagerlout
i thought with tegula darts are unavoidable in some spots?
when they are on a 200 by 100 drive they dont need to be there
re:squaring off kits i agree with all that has been said,on the whole they dont look right
i do find cutting internal arcs labourious and for that reason i discourage circles in paving,as a stand alone feature for a table and chairs they look nice,but not plonked in the middle of a patio
LLL 
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:18 pm
by Pablo
lutonlagerlout wrote:i thought with tegula darts are unavoidable in some spots?
when they are on a 200 by 100 drive they dont need to be there
True although there are ways of getting around it but they look crap and are only really needed for high impact areas for large vehicles. You can avoid most of them if your using a 3 size mix but tbh I've yet to see a dart fail and I feel it looks better to continue the pattern with darts rather than mix it up and throw in something that looks out of place and isn't neccessary. With darts I always throw a bit more sand into the hole then knock them home with a maul and they never move. I feel it's unfair to pull someone up on darts if they've been done well because although it's not best practice they do offer the best compromise between that and best looks. And if a dart is highly unlikely to fail why would you bother doing it any other way and ruining the pattern/bond. This may be a bit controversial given the company on here so I'm filling a sandbag as we speak and getting ready for the flak. :laugh:
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:39 pm
by local patios and driveway
i agree, i always look at darts on old driveways and ive never seen one thats sunk.
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:18 pm
by pickwell paving
Darts should be avoided where possible because they don't conform to british standards of laying/cutting in, most commercial jobs they would be picked up by the clark of works and have to be redone, we've done MOD work before and they won't accept anything smaller than half a block. It draws your eye to them if you ask me when you see a block cut along its length or a tiny piece the size of penny, and in my opinion any paving contractor should have a block splitter as part of their tool kit.
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:11 am
by lutonlagerlout
i have done it both ways and can see both sides
to my eye continuing the pattern looks best
but it aint british standard
however i cant make it work with tegula ???
LLL
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:33 am
by pickwell paving
The reason so many people put slips and darts in their paving is because there is a lack of skilled labour on a block splitter, its so much easier to lay the paving then run the stihl saw round at the end regardless of how it should be done. Slips and darts are the block paving equivalent of spot bedding which is frowned upon on this forum and rightly so, so how come when people talk about how to do things correctly the same doesn't apply to cutting in? :rock:
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:11 am
by Pablo
I agree that they shouldn't be used in commercial work and we always do so where possible but Mrs Smith at 63 drives a car not a tank and the heaviest vehicle on her driveway will be a DHL van every christmas so a dart will not fail in that instance and it does look a lot better. I strongly disagree that the reason for pavers not using a splitter is because of lack of skill. I use both and there are a lot of cuts that a splitter can't do like curves and nips off the ends also there are a lot of block types that don't split well regardless of how much skill you have. Personally I have my men trained to a standard where they only have to look at a lot of cuts and then freehand them with the saw or just mark one end of the block and buzz it. That patio I did on friday in the tools thread took about 45 mins to cut in and trim on friday using just such a method and there's not a single bad cut in it. I also disagree that darts and slips are the equivilent of spot bedding they're not but poor subbase and bedding installation is and thats the reason for 99.9% of all driveway failures.
I do respect your integrity on this issue though and wouldn't fault any paver who tries to avoid darts like yourself it is the reccommended standard I just don't like the look of it and feel it's overkill in most domestic applications.
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:04 am
by lutonlagerlout
pickwell paving wrote:The reason so many people put slips and darts in their paving is because there is a lack of skilled labour on a block splitter, its so much easier to lay the paving then run the stihl saw round at the end regardless of how it should be done. Slips and darts are the block paving equivalent of spot bedding which is frowned upon on this forum and rightly so, so how come when people talk about how to do things correctly the same doesn't apply to cutting in? :rock:
i would say 70mm of sand and 50mm sub base is a better metaphor for spot bedding
back to my point,i have found it unavoidable with tegula especially herringbone tegula
LLL
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:32 am
by cookiewales
well boys i laid some 200 150 60 bardon cbp last week ground was bad so i mixed 4 to1 grit sand cement and laid them in rows like my setts washed in the kiln dried next day top job will post photos ps it was a extra between niegbours so no budget 
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:27 pm
by Pablo
You've a good eye for plants Johnny they sit very well with the house style. Any chance of some shots of the hardscaping I like the look of it. Also I'm trying to get hold of some stone Urns just like those for my own house they'd look great on some pillars I love em.
all the paving and walling was done by us too. Replacing dabbed buff 600sq developer specials!!!
