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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:38 pm
by lemoncurd1702
Yes the rails do look a bit weird, like 3x2 with a cant, but morticed joints nobody is ever going to make a living doing that. If you mean the notched posts with the triangle profile rails I don't see how they are any stronger, in fact I would say the notch weakens the post particularly at the bottom.
The only advantage I can see is achieving a fence depth of 100mm plus the boarding instead of 150mm.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:01 pm
by sy76uk
I'm getting the district feeling that your looking for fault to make me look like a cowboy Sean.
Didn't make any difference to me how the fence was built , what what used or how long it took.
Simple reason being that the firm we did the work for had 2 lads working for them that did a bit of everything and they were supposed to be doing the fence but the site manager asked me to take over so that's the other lads could crack on with finishing the internals so we did it on day rate.
As I said before, they specified and supplied then we put it up.
I can assure you that the house builders did they best they could to make sure those houses and the land around them was finished to the highest standard they could afford.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:40 pm
by michaelthegardener
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:58 pm
by dig dug dan
5 x 4 michael.
the issue is that the sytem seen here has to have a packing piece behind the gravel board to bring it out enough for the fetheredge to sit on, so 3 inch plus an inch of gravel blard and a 4 inch post..... thas a hell of a chunk of fence, when there is still only 4 inch holding it in the ground.not knocking the workmanship, just thats a cheap builders way of fencing.
The v notch posts everyone talks about are more commonly know as cheats fencing, it was designed for people who didnt know how to use morticed posts and tennoned arriss.
that said, it looks neat enough and whilst I try and avoid using it over morticed posts, I do sometimes have to use it to match in to other work.
we could start a whole thread on the rights and wrongs of fencing, but lets not get away from the fact that the work shown above is top notch, and thats all tha counts
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:07 pm
by seanandruby
Actually it was DDD who noticed it not me. I am not trying to make you look like a cowboy m8. I can understand hanging 3x2 wailings but not arris rail done that way. Arris rails are designed to be trimmed and inserted into a mortice joint, been that way since year dot. Your work on the flags is spot on and i only ask questions out of curiosity. The reason builders put cheap slabs usually is because not everyone shares the same tastes on paving and in time change it to something that suits their pallet. I question the steps because i have disabled relatives and a smaller dwelling that those but still disabled friendly.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:56 pm
by sy76uk
I'm not a fan of astro turf but it has its place Micheal. There is a reason it was used but I'll get to that later.
Thank Dan.
Sean as long as that's the case then fine.
I know exactly what your your saying, by that I mean I know how to build a fence using both methods you described.
If it was up to me i'd have used concrete posts. I don't like the look of them but they don't rot.
The disabled access was an issue we didn't get around to resolving pretty much right until the end of the job.
I set the edgings up on the last house at the bottom of the plot to allow level access and the levels on the footpath looked terrible.
The house builder didn't like them either.
Bear in mind that the three houses at the bottom are 2 bed homes and are in no way suitable for a disabled person.
Yes the people looking may have disabled relatives but if they haven't I'm sure they would prefer a footpath that doesn't look like a BMX track.
The 2 property's at the front have just about enough room to park 2 cars on. You can't park on the road because it has yellow lines so the dilemma was disabled ramp or parking. The owners decided that since the houses were not suitable for disabled people then for all the reasons stated above the job would be a better one without disabled access and the building inspector agreed.
These property's are bang in the middle of a town centre. The people that were looking to buy them were downsizing and loved the fact that they had low maintenance gardens and that they were within walking distance of all the shops and the doctors.
All I'm saying is that despite the fact you don't like the way the fence was put up there was no scrimping involved and everyone did there best for the job.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:06 pm
by lemoncurd1702
seanandruby wrote:Actually it was DDD who noticed it not me. I am not trying to make you look like a cowboy m8. I can understand hanging 3x2 wailings but not arris rail done that way. Arris rails are designed to be trimmed and inserted into a mortice joint, been that way since year dot. Your work on the flags is spot on and i only ask questions out of curiosity. The reason builders put cheap slabs usually is because not everyone shares the same tastes on paving and in time change it to something that suits their pallet. I question the steps because i have disabled relatives and a smaller dwelling that those but still disabled friendly.
I don't think they were arris rails, just a bit of strange 3x2 plus whatever that additional bit is.
I don't think I've ever seen one of these morticed fences, sounds like fencing for the minted to me. Could someone show me some images of ones they have built themselves so that I can see what they should look like :p
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:16 pm
by sy76uk
I'm shirt at describing things in writing Mark.
The post is basically slotted so you can fit the rail in if that makes sense.
Oh and the rail is just cut like that to help the rain fall off.
Just like when you cut the top of a post on an angle.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:49 pm
by lemoncurd1702
Couldn't even get hold of that stuff around here its all 4x4 posts and 3x2 rails which structurally I think is fine.
funny enough though my house is around 20 yr old and has the arris rails and v notch fence. They're needing some nurturing now but like most fences it's the bottom of the posts that go, not the boards or rails! At the moment I've set a concrete lintel in next to them and bolted the post to it.
Bring it on Thor :p
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:59 pm
by sy76uk
lemoncurd1702 wrote:Couldn't even get hold of that stuff around here its all 4x4 posts and 3x2 rails which structurally I think is fine.
funny enough though my house is around 20 yr old and has the arris rails and v notch fence. They're needing some nurturing now but like most fences it's the bottom of the posts that go, not the boards or rails! At the moment I've set a concrete lintel in next to them and bolted the post to it.
Bring it on Thor :p
Lol,The things we do in our own gardens.
I built my brick bbq with the intention of putting an arch roof on it.
I couldn't be arsed making the template for the arch and the slabs around it are pointed with bbq ash and fat 
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:53 pm
by jwill
SY are you leicestershire just recognised the pictures, those astro turf houses are for sale out near lutterworth/whetstone or somewhere that side of leicester aren't they.
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:57 pm
by sy76uk
They are indeed Jwill. Misterton road in Lutterworth.
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:01 pm
by jwill
Nice looking they are. Just put a few up in Enderby. Might give you a shout in future!
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:05 pm
by sy76uk
Thank will. Enderbys just down the road from me, I'm in Broughton Astley.
The link to my website is at the bottom of the post. Give me a bell if you need me.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:01 pm
by michaelthegardener
cant stand decking myself but it pays the bills :p
:p 