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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:08 am
by lutonlagerlout
the whole thing seems very surreal to me
the only person i can remember having these issues before was dave L a couple of years ago,
very weird
i note the spammers have been hard at it of late
LLL
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:50 am
by Suggers
Just to add to the confusion - when I was over in the states this summer, couldn't get into to the BC - had same page as Carl posted - Tony let me know that the ip address I was coming from was responsible for loads of spam, thus blocked. Weird thing is, I was only trying to log in from a mate's home pc in Vermont. I didn't realise your address changed (dynamic) from time to time.
Maybe Giles should write (he's dyslexic BTW) a repotr in teh queens engerlish how this hole thang werks? :laugh:
luv yer Giles ....
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:58 am
by Suggers
take the proxy route - seen it, never done it, what is it ? ???
- the title of my seventh album.
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:59 am
by GB_Groundworks
oi suggers, have you been at the sloe gin again? what's wrong with my english? i wonder how many people on here have read heart of darkness or paradise lost or the canterbury tales etc
i could write it up but it would be pointless waste of my time writing it and you reading it.
its not a specific ip thats being blocked its ranges which means that in a stroke you can ban from 1 to about 8 million hosts depending on how the exclude rule is formatted.
so take mine 76.151.76.162
when i want to go to the site my packets of data have to be routed all over the internet to the server and then back again, so between me and the server there are 17 different subnets i have to navigate through each one of these is controlled by a router which routes packets between subnets, switches distribute packets within a subnet.
Gi-2:~ Giles$ traceroute www.pavingexpert.com
traceroute to www.pavingexpert.com (67.23.46.16), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.839 ms 1.563 ms 1.857 ms
2 76.151.64.1 (76.151.64.1) 24.076 ms 25.714 ms 24.919 ms
3 62.24.254.240 (62.24.254.240) 26.233 ms 25.842 ms 29.244 ms
4 gig-14-1-4009-rtr001.hex.opaltelecom.net (62.24.254.241) 29.223 ms 27.392 ms 26.317 ms
5 xe-10-0-0-rt001.man.as13285.net (78.151.225.7) 28.540 ms 95.235 ms 160.532 ms
6 xe-11-1-0-rt001.sov.as13285.net (62.24.240.14) 35.451 ms 35.507 ms 37.082 ms
7 host-78-144-0-156.as13285.net (78.144.0.156) 34.265 ms host-78-144-0-150.as13285.net (78.144.0.150) 36.122 ms host-78-144-0-200.as13285.net (78.144.0.200) 36.799 ms
8 host-78-144-0-213.as13285.net (78.144.0.213) 116.559 ms 66.023 ms 36.056 ms
9 host-78-144-5-18.as13285.net (78.144.5.18) 35.277 ms 35.261 ms 43.431 ms
10 ve6.fr4.lon.llnw.net (68.142.88.221) 47.594 ms 33.120 ms 34.291 ms
11 tge11-1.fr4.lga.llnw.net (69.28.172.149) 103.842 ms 162.770 ms 102.425 ms
12 tge14-4.fr4.ord.llnw.net (69.28.189.53) 123.996 ms 134.001 ms tge1-2.fr4.ord.llnw.net (69.28.172.198) 129.037 ms
13 tge14-1.fr4.dal.llnw.net (69.28.172.145) 152.463 ms tge10-1.fr4.dal.llnw.net (69.28.171.241) 146.599 ms tge14-1.fr4.dal.llnw.net (69.28.172.145) 147.051 ms
14 rackspace.tge11-3.fr4.dal.llnw.net (69.164.4.6) 144.697 ms 145.723 ms 146.069 ms
15 core7-edge3-vlan3307.dfw1.rackspace.net (174.143.123.114) 145.656 ms 146.271 ms 147.174 ms
16 98.129.84.173 (98.129.84.173) 146.604 ms 148.163 ms 146.204 ms
17 pavingexpert.com (67.23.46.16) 145.506 ms 146.310 ms 144.512 ms
so blocking 76.151.76.162 blocks 1 host
76.151.76.16x 9 hosts
76.151.76.xxx 32766 hosts
but then it gets more complicated with variable length subnets allowing sub partioning of the 18th-24 bit of the address. allowing a lot more address but this is only done on private subnets or smaller isp's etc.
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:36 am
by msh paving
I think we get the picture Giles,getting very complicated now,so much for simple answers to paving questions... 
hope Tony get the new brew cabin sorted out soon MSH 
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:38 am
by mickg
I used to block a lot of IP addresses on one of the sites i have maintained for the last 12 years due to site rippers but you end up chasing your tale as like everything else spammers move on too
the biggest issue i had is they started using rotating IP numbers requesting 1 page every 5 - 10 seconds so what ever software you put in place they still get what they requested
what you end up left with if your not careful is collateral damage and 10's of 1000's of people not being able to view your site....with the way your banning a range of IP's this figure is in the 100 of 1000's
using alexa a a basic guide on website rankings because that all you can do with it but look at the drop in the last 4 weeks
alexa rankings for paving expert
granted some of it could be due to the adverse weather and time of year but look at the reach and bounce rate
in my opinion you need to take the strangle hold off what ever your doing to the site otherwise very shortly it will become a shadow of the site what Tony has spend a lot of time effort and of course cost over the years to build it to what it is today because the next issue you will of caused is search engine ranking problems
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:52 pm
by GB_Groundworks
The mods aren't blocking any ips just here to clean up spam posts and maintain order lol
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:05 pm
by lutonlagerlout
in the interest of science here are my results
Pinging pavingexpert.com [67.23.46.16] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 67.23.46.16: bytes=32 time=132ms TTL=48
Reply from 67.23.46.16: bytes=32 time=132ms TTL=48
Reply from 67.23.46.16: bytes=32 time=132ms TTL=48
Reply from 67.23.46.16: bytes=32 time=132ms TTL=48
Ping statistics for 67.23.46.16:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 132ms, Maximum = 132ms, Average = 132ms
Tracing route to pavingexpert.com [67.23.46.16]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms api.home [192.168.1.254]
2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 217.32.141.131
3 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms 217.32.141.190
4 16 ms 12 ms 11 ms 213.120.161.74
5 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 217.41.222.50
6 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 217.41.222.182
7 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms acc2-10GigE-0-7-0-5.bm.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.
248.206]
8 15 ms 14 ms 14 ms core2-te0-15-0-0.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.2
48.157]
9 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms core2-pos5-0-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.6
5.126]
10 21 ms 24 ms 25 ms manchester-nasaccess2-fe01.mdip.bt.net [195.99.1
25.66]
11 87 ms 89 ms 89 ms tge7-2.fr3.lga.llnw.net [69.28.171.125]
12 91 ms 86 ms 92 ms tge1-2.fr4.lga.llnw.net [69.28.171.202]
13 112 ms 113 ms 111 ms tge14-4.fr4.ord.llnw.net [69.28.189.53]
14 130 ms 152 ms 140 ms tge14-1.fr4.dal.llnw.net [69.28.172.145]
15 141 ms 140 ms 140 ms rackspace.tge11-3.fr4.dal.llnw.net [69.164.4.6]
16 132 ms 132 ms 132 ms core7-edge3-vlan3307.dfw1.rackspace.net [174.143
.123.114]
17 133 ms 146 ms 148 ms 98.129.84.173
18 132 ms 132 ms 132 ms pavingexpert.com [67.23.46.16]
Trace complete.
18 hops seems a roundabout way of getting from luton to culceth, considering i could do it via road in only 10 turns
cheers LLL
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:13 pm
by lutonlagerlout
bt infinity still seems to be doing the business
LLL
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:35 pm
by Tony McC
When I 'block' IP addresses, it withdraws their posting privileges, but they can carry on viewing and reading and following links. I wouldn't want to deprive all those pharmacologically and gynaecologically obsessed from having access to the top class advice and entertainment we provide here in the Brew Cabin.
There is no 'whitelist' of approved posters/lurkers or whatever, just a 'blacklist' of IP addresses that are not allowed to post due to previous transgressions from that IP address (or range of IP addresses in many cases located in Eastern Europe, The USA and China)
And the drop in viewing figures during December is no big surprise. The visitor rate for the whole of pavingexpert.com is extremely seasonal and always has been. We go from 180,000+ unique visitors in March/April/May/June to 70,000-ish in December and January. I'm actually grateful for the lull over these winter months as it allows me to catch up with outstanding projects and work on new developments. If there was a constant, say, 150,000 unique visitors every month, I think I'd burn out and never get anything new onto the site.
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:53 pm
by mickg
so if thats the case with banning the IP from posting how come I can't even access the forum to view any posts, the pages on the main site are OK its just access to the forum
I have noticed that additional links have appeared since using a proxy, "new posts and notes|" what I have not seen for a long time plus i stopped getting email notifications for any new posts to a thread ages ago too
i login yesterday and saw a email sent to me 14 days ago what i did not know was there, whats causing this to happen ?
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:21 pm
by Tony McC
I've no idea why you can't access, Mick.
I've experimented with blocked IP addresses on various computers over the last couple of weeks and the behaviour is consistent: they can view but can't post, so it comes back to being summat specific to your set-up.