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That's what I want to avoid and hopefully they will replace the pipe free of charge because it's so shallow.pcdoc wrote:WHY ARE YOU PAYING THEM??
The depths quoted are only advisory and not regulation... 40mm is permitted under paving slabs..... whenever british gas get pulled up for their installations being outside their own adviseory guidelines thats what they tell me! ps, I'm Gassafemsh paving wrote:british gas -national grid or what ever they call themselves now,state in there code of practice gas service should be between 375-450mm below ground leval, i have had 1
court claim on this infomation and 2 others gave up b4 court
MSH
only if they bond across the pipe either side of cut with cross bond cable first...otherwise they are contraveneing gas safety regsDave L wrote:Gas board when cutting back a steel pipe to joint it will do the cut with a hacksaw on a live supply.
I was stunned when I saw this!! Perfectly safe so they say!
great letter.. wish i had kept copy of mine which worked equally well...if the gas board cant install properly, why should some unsuspecting individual pay for damaging a pipe which technically should be buried in a safe manner.After three separate incidents and being threatened with court action by transco after reporting their damaged pipes following a garage build(concrete wagon exposed pipe in drive and caused split),I'd even exposed their run of pipe for them and tape repaired the leak to reduce risk on site until they could arrive to repair it... only took 10 minutes to repair and they tried to hit me for £375 as the 'responsible person ' on site...We dug a proper trench and buried the pipe at the guided depth and plated over as the drive was in constant use. They backed down after my insisting that if they had buried the pipework at the correct guideline depth in the first place, the pipe wouldnt have been damaged in the first place, and by burying it at such a shallow depth, they were actually ensuring an accident would happen and so were themselves culpable...they didnt like thatpcdoc wrote:WHY ARE YOU PAYING THEM??
We hit a plastic gas pipe at 100mm and they tried to charge around £250 for repair.
The guidelines say 375mm- they can lay shallower, but only if certain conditions are met. Here is my SUCCESSFUL appeal letter. Its a bit long, but has everything you need!! Enjoy it (i did
Glynis,
I am disputing the invoice (RIP0001) on the grounds that the pipe was improperly installed in a manner which left is unreasonably predisposed to accidental damage.
I am aware there is no legal absolute minimum depth to bury gas pipe, but guidelines clearly state a minimum of 375mm depth on residential property. The guidelines are also very clear that where this is not possible, the pipe should be protected and certainly should be marked with warning tape.
The gas line was buried just 100mm below the surface for a distance of around 15 meters. At no point was the pipe protected (eg. concrete plinth or sleeved duct) and no warning tape was present.
According to the guidelines, proposals for shallow laid pipes (100mm is obviously shallow) should be validated by transco and should also be reported to the Utility Infrastructure Provider. I am sure Transco would not validate a proposal to run the pipe at 100mm on my property for no reason. If this is not the case, I would like to see the relevant paperwork that shows TRANSCO approval.
The flexibility in the depth guidelines exists for situations where 375mm cannot be achieved. On my property, there was nothing preventing the pipe being buried to the correct depth.
In summary, the initial installation was not in compliance with guidlines and was laid in a way that was almost certain to be damaged sooner or later. It would be unreasonable to expect the customer to pay for damage that would not have happened if the installation had been properly done.
Unless I see paperwork showing TRANSCO pre-approved the 100mm depth, I cannot volunteer payment.
For easy reference, I have included a attached a pdf of the guidlines (from your company).
The relevent paragraph section 3.7 on page 4 is shown below.
"3.7 Shallow Depth Services
The service pipe should normally be laid at a minimum depth of 375mm in private ground and 450mm in
public highway. Should a situation where the service pipe is not at the required depth or proposed to be laid
shallower1, then consideration should be given to either additional protection2 or replacement to minimise 3rd
party damage.
Notes:
1 Proposals for shallow depth services will need to be validated by Transco and recorded by UIP on completion of the work.
2Examples of additional protection against interference would include the provision of a sleeved duct, concrete plinth, steel
plate with a suitable caution / warning tape applied."
Thanks in advance for your time.
Yep they didmsh paving wrote:They will cut the iron pipe and thread a 20mm mdpe from the meter to the top tee in the road, purge and reconnect you
Every joint on the pipework i'm laying has to be wrapped in denso, could be 10, 20, 30, 40, or more a day. As the drainage is suspended in reinforced cages and i'm mostly on my hands and knees, sitting, or sometimes laying down to get access. i get arms etc covered.rab1 wrote:is that denzo tape wrapped around the pipe?
