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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:50 pm
by dig dug dan
Just out of interest how much does labour differ from north/south?
been charging £170+vat per day for past 6months. went up £10 from £160 which i was charging for a about 5 years
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:53 pm
by DNgroundworks
I dont know whether this should be discussed on a public forum but what does it matter - I charge £230.00 per day for me an my labourer i pay him around £70.00, leaves me with £160.00 then i make 15% on materials, as a rule i try and earn a grand a week to cover over heads and take a wage.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:10 pm
by dig dug dan
sounds spot on to me.
That is why i cant see how a hire company with all those overheads can make any money at all, especially £35 a day!
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:26 pm
by DNgroundworks
I know, IMO there is no point in owning a machine, unless i can keep it busy most of the time when i can hire them for peanuts!
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:32 pm
by dig dug dan
there is that, but how many hire machines can you get a grab, ripper, riddle bucket, rake, and a hydraulic pump that has not been turned down??
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:25 pm
by DNgroundworks
lots? Ive never even noticed that the pumps are turned down, never bothered me, is that standard practice in the plant hire game?
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:38 pm
by local patios and driveway
£35 a day is 9k over a year boys, full return in 18 months. you then have a machine that has a value of say 9k to either sell or keep renting out. its not too bad but i had considered going for direct hire but the figures were shite. make our money on the operated plant
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:00 pm
by lutonlagerlout
my base cost for me,a brickie and a labourer is £350 a day
VAT and profit need to be added to that
so really looking at around £500 all in
personally i have earned the same wage for 5 years ,but know lads working for a lot less than they were
keep hearing the same old stories in the pub about blokes earning mega bucks,then you see them and they try and tap you up for a twenty
I look at how someone's family are ,that tells me all i need to know ,not what they earn,but how they spend it
I like a drink and a gamble, but the missus has never been 1p short in 25 years
by hook or by crook :;):
LLL
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:55 pm
by GB_Groundworks
DNgroundworks wrote:£80.00 a day? i pay £35.00 for a micro, i can get js130 for 85 quid a day plus vat and haulage!
not mine you wont £450 a day with driver, £80 is surely on a long term hire?
i wont hire my stuff out without drivers not worth it
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:34 pm
by DNgroundworks
Ill dig out the price list Giles and send you a copy, the js130 was for around a month, but even so non operated for a week it will be around the £100 mark i suppose.
The 3t Kubota and ifor williams i posted photos of a while back £45.00 per day for that.
What shocked me was the cost of hiring tracked dumpers!
Most of the plant i hire apart from the big stuff is for pound notes btw
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:12 pm
by GB_Groundworks
£100 a ton a week for tracked dumper so our 5 ton yanmar would be £500 a week
so me and my guy whos worked for my dad for 20 odd years and worked for a civil firm before that, full hgv and tickets for everything, better machine man than me etc and good with stone and slabs etc we go out at £250 for just us. then £350 with machines upto 3 ton, then £450 for anything bigger etc like 3cx etc.
me and the 3 ton go out at £250 a day and then everything is included like rollers floor saws etc dumpers. telehandlers, what we need to do the job, muck away at 8/ton, breakers and augers etc are extra, got every imaginable bucket for all the machines inc riddles, narrow trenchers, riddles etc breakers for all upto 8 ton.
dan how do you go on with insurance for pound notes on hired in plant? 
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:00 pm
by msh paving
If i go out on 3t or 1.5 or micro, its £25 hour min 4 hour hire,
self drive all diggers are £60 a day+vat+delivery and any used fuel
£60 a day is not enough but i have to keep inline with all the nationals ,but never cheaper than them,
pecker or attachments are extra
crusher can be 120-150 depends on job
3t tracked dumper £70day
my daywork rate for me and my paving mate(not labourer) is
£300 day+plant
MSH 
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:03 pm
by dig dug dan
i wont hire my stuff out without drivers not worth it
quite right. wish i could do that with the crushers.
£35 a day is 9k over a year boys, full return in 18 months
thats if it is out every day. what about servicing costs? maintence, insurance, cost of premisies, and allowing for the goons that smash the machinr to pieces.
A 12k machine is not going to be worth 9k after a year of that!
is that standard practice in the plant hire game
Not standard, but increasingly common. It a way of stopping you doding too much with the machine so you hire it longer 
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:16 pm
by Mikey_C
dig dug dan wrote:quite right. wish i could do that with the crushers.
do you get alot of problems with damage to the crusher? what from?
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:18 pm
by msh paving
Mikey_C wrote:dig dug dan wrote:quite right. wish i could do that with the crushers.
do you get alot of problems with damage to the crusher? what from?
bad fuel,throwing to big lumps in,sharp bits cutting belt,not putting fuel in,lack of respect for other peoples plant.Apart from that nothing much at all MSH