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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:05 pm
by msh paving
the MAM of most 7.5t is 11000kg or 11t, my mistubishi cantor 7.5t IS 11000KG, BUT YOU NEED HGV licence to tow with a trailer as it over 7.5t. as giles says his man has a class 1, on a car licence you can only tow 750kg behing a 7.5tonner.
I always put the 3tonner on the back as i can carry 3.9t canters are a very light 7.5t lorry as there is no air system and chassis rails are narrower cab is lower ,
micro digger and 1.5t digger i tow behind disco, but if need be they all go on back of cantor and the concrete crusher, 3m long ali ramps rated at 1.5t each
I would not be without a 7,5 ton lorry when digging out and carting agregates, MSH 
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:09 pm
by mickg
yeah my mistake, just re read what Giles said
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:23 pm
by GB_Groundworks
mickg wrote:how can that make any difference Giles, its the MAM of the vehicle not what licence you hold, I used to have my class 2 but I still could not go over any weight limit and be legal if stopped ?
to tow a trailer over 750kg with a 7.5 ton you need class 1 as its classed the same as a arctic max nam is 11200kg on our man 7.5 ton. weve got a new iveco with a lighter body not sure what that is yet as it need sot go for plate.
oops msh answered.
did yo ever find those trench props?
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:54 pm
by KLS
mickg wrote:I take it you had the steel drop side tipper Nigel and not the aluminium which is rated to carry just over 1800kg
I was going down the route of a disco Nigel as the MAM is higher but I felt its a one job item where as with a pickup you can carry stone, sand or a tracked dumper on the back and you can still tow the digger on a trailer
Mick
The 1800kg fig is as a chassis cab with no body once you put the body and tipping gear on it will be more like 1200-1300 max.
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:21 am
by mickg
I see where your coming from
as an example according to these two Autotrader listing its 1693 kg Payload, I did see a couple of pick ups listed a few weeks ago and maybe they lied with the spec hence the 1825kg max payload which is what I have gone off
[url=http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/ ... 4e97670143
662d4bf33a17/bodytype/tipper/makemodel/make/ford/payload/min/1799?featuredListing=true]http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-va....ng=true[/url]
[url=http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/ ... f4d101416e
269cbe0824/bodytype/tipper/makemodel/make/ford/payload/min/1799]http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-va....799[/url]
hmm might be back to the drawing board
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:12 am
by msh paving
I'am on the case giles...they in the back of my shed just have to get through the stuff in the way...lol
Never heard of a tranny tipper that can carry anymore than about 1.4t, a 3way tipper trannny will carry 1.05t...useless
nissan cabstar will carry 1.6t, it very hard to carry anymore on a 3.5t gross truck
MSH
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:19 am
by tarmal & Co
I am in the process of doing my c1+e hgv test at moment.
This will entitle me tow up to 12000kg. On my Iveco 7.5 ton tipper my train weight is 11000kg, so legally I will have the ability to carry a good amount of weight legally.
Course only costing £750 will pay for itself very quickly.
I wasn't aware you could legally tow so much with smaller vans, discoveries etc, this seems crazy. Be careful towing all them weights. You may have to brake quickly one day.
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:00 am
by ambient
my 319 sprinter has an uprated towing system supposedly it can tow 3 or 3.5 ton
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:11 am
by mickg
has anyone heard of a Isuzu or Iveco drop side tipper with a MAM of 6500kg
Tony what's the maximum weight you can tow behind your 7.5 ton wagon
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:19 am
by ambient
I think its 3.5 ton
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:28 am
by mickg
is that due to you having grandfather rights of passing your test before 1997 ?
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:07 am
by lutonlagerlout
this whole issue seems to be a legal minefield
as kieran rightly mentioned payload figures are for a chassis cab
so to keep right i never go over 1.5 tonnes
also how often do you need to pick up 3.5 tonnes of gear?
a pick up for me is to pick up the odd tonne or half tonne of agg when you have had your 10 tonne or whatever delivered
I know there can be a slight saving at the quarry
I.e. I can pick up a tonne of sand for £15 a heath and reach sand pits
but I can buy it for £30 at butterfields which is 15 miles closer
the only people i see regularly overloading are the pikeys
3 packs of block paving on a transit tipper?
couldnt believe my eyes
LLL :laugh:
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:44 am
by mickg
Most of the listing on ebay for a transit drop side tipper are showing a payload of 1725kg and a GVW of 3500
I hear what your all saying but i will call into a ford dealer and get this confirmed
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:47 am
by dig dug dan
The biggest weight carrier is the cabstar, which is why the mounted cherry picker uses them. The transit payload on a tipper will not be anywhere near that. Thats the payload on a chassis cab
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:24 pm
by GB_Groundworks
Soon all the grandfather rights are going yo be rescinded and you'll need to do the test to drive 3.5 ton plus.
long term im thinking moving towards a 11 ton wagon with a small drag on it for moving the smaller machines under 8 ton
something like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm....6799d28
seems popular in europe and with the planer lads
something like this would be perfect few year off though
i know dave runs a big scania T cab with a small box and a drag but to big for me.
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