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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:28 am
by GB_Groundworks
Red can only legally be used for agricultural purposes and not for hire or reward, technically they should be running on White when on the road.
It's rare to get stopped in a tractor
See appendix at the end
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channel....1_28694
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:53 pm
by lutonlagerlout
got fed up trying to read the girls names on eddies lorries
but i found a new one
"Nobby Nobby" is a commony played car game, the aim of which is to spot Norbert Dentressangle lorries and tankers to win points. The person who has the most points when the car journey is complete, wins. The rules go as follows:
* A tanker is worth 5 points.
* A lorry hauling a double-trailer is worth 4 points.
* A refrigerated lorry (red tractor pulling a white trailer with red Norbert logo on trailer) is worth 3 points.
* A standard lorry is worth 2 points.
* First to call "Nobby Nobby" and point out the lorry wins the points.
* "Nobby Nobby Tanker" must be called when spotting a tanker to receive all 5 points - if only "Nobby Nobby" is called, then only 2 points are earned. Similarly, when a double-trailer Nobert Dentressangle lorry is spotted, "Nobby Nobby Double" must be called to earn all 4 points. Sames goes for a refigerated lorry, when "Nobby Nobby Fridge" must be called to collect 3 points. If a single lorry is spotted, the spotter earns 2 points and must call only "Nobby Nobby".
* If a player mistakes another red lorry for a Nobby Nobby then the player will lose the amount of points they were hoping to gain, for example, a player that mistakes a Royal Mail lorry for a single Nobby Nobby would lose 2 of their points. Speedy spotting is required when playing Nobby Nobby - but it can be high-risk when spotting from a distance.
* The same Nobby Nobby, Nobby Nobby Fridge, Nobby Nobby Double, or Nobby Nobby Tanker cannot be spotted more than once. In the event of re-spotting, no points are to be received by the copy-cat spotter - however, no points are lost by this spotter.
sounds like life as a trucker is full of excitement,FTR norbert is 56 years old and might be worth a quid or two
LLL
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:10 pm
by dig dug dan
just to chip in on the red diesel debate, mobile cranes can use red, but the lorry mounted forklift trucks that are used to deliver building materials have to use white diesel and pay £170 road tax!!
You would think that fire engines and ambulances could use red, but no (so the government get back some of the money they give to the nhs!),
and recently i heard of a tractor hire company who got report to hmrc as they were using red diesel.
They apparantly have to use white when they deliver the tractor, then it can be used on red while working, but white when it gets picked back up again.
(he was fined by the way!)
I would not dream of putting it in my vehicles, as they now confiscate it, as well as give you a fine.
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:18 pm
by lutonlagerlout
thats what i am saying dan,it causes so much confusion with people to access to it ,we would be better off without it
my old boss had a farm and at age 18 i saw him putting diesel in the jcb from a big tank,so i did just that for 3 years till he asked me for a diesel receipt one day :O
had to get rid of that van sharpish
same with VAT, the whole system is so open to abuse it would make more sense if everyone had to pay VAT on goods but not on labour, but once it is paid thats it
it causes so much paper work and half the time we lose out on jobs because mr.did.E.coy will do it for pound notes
they would actually get more revenue by scrapping income tax or making it 1 flat rate for all and increasing VAT to 25% with no refunds
after all everybody needs to buy something
of course this would be far too easy
but look at countries with no income tax and they seem to be thriving, i.e. UAE brunei monaco bahamas quatar
you have to remember that most of the 2nd and third world countries have no direct income tax as workers earn so little
usa only had it since 1914
anyway it will never happen
the same as alchohol and fags wont be banned while the govt get so much revenue from them
LLL
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:10 pm
by Suggers
Never realised I'd open such a can of worms..?
LLL for presidente.
Do our local pikeys ever get dipped?
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:56 pm
by dig dug dan
Do our local pikeys ever get dipped?
I have never heard or seen of it. They would just get away with it as usual no doubt
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:29 pm
by lutonlagerlout
they dont need to worry about getting dipped,they just nick diesel out of our vehicles
I am almost tempted to put red in an old scrapper and leave it in a likely place , so that when they do siphon it they will be teeing themselves up for the tug
LLL
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:36 pm
by rab1
Thats racist lads, how dare you question the integrity of good natured traveling types who generally like to rip pensioner's off and steal all that is not nailed down.
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:38 pm
by dig dug dan
a while back, we had a spate of thefts of fuel round here. my mate looked out of his window to see someone walking off with a 5 litre can of unleaded he had left on his pick-up.
He phoned me to tell me, and as i live on the same estate, i thought it best to lay a trap.
I filled an ordinary fuel can up with old oil, a bit of waste diesel with water in, and added a touch of creosote for good measure. I left it in full view on the back of my truck, and marked the side with a blak marker "four stroke for the mower".
the buggers never did steal it though!!
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:08 am
by Stumpyclifford
Hi Guys
New to this forum so be kind its my first post.
Going back to the problem of diesel waxing, many years ago in a former life I used to drive a tipper, my boss used to add 1 gal of parafin to the fuel tank to stop this, that was in the old 'd' series Ford's we never had any waxing even when we were snow ploughing around Luton during the night hours.
Cliff
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:31 am
by seanandruby
The pie keys are'nt bothered if they get a tug and the vehicle gets taken, they will just get a new one that you, or me have worked our balls off for. They are all called "smithy" anyway so it's hard to bring them to book. Most of them make a duel tank that you can switch to deisel when they see a spot check.
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:13 am
by Dave_L
seanandruby wrote:Most of them make a duel tank that you can switch to deisel when they see a spot check.
If they suspect the vehicle is running on red but the tank is white they will carry out a further sample - at the fuel filter on the engine.
You simply can't get away from the tank dippers.
Not sure the traffic police would be quite so thorough, though.
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:21 am
by Suggers
Welcome Cliff - baby it's cold outside - come into the fuggy warmth of the BC -
I'm told the police have no jurisdiction? - purely a tax/civil matter?
Anyway, I'm now told, with the additives, waxing doesn't happen - am told my prob is the heating plug knackered ? - (MF Tractor)
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:15 am
by msh paving
Suggers wrote:I'm told the police have no jurisdiction? - purely a tax/civil matter?
Police traffic spot check units carry bottles to suck from tank,VOSA have same, customs and excise have van's for the job to,
2 years ago , my yard land lord lost a van to police as it was full of red when he bought it, £500 cash or lose van, red diesel is not worth the risk in a new road going van, lorry etc.
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:52 am
by Suggers
Thanks for the heads-up MSH - only got a little left now - when times is hard, still won't stop me sploshing a bit in - 
