The youth of today

[Dave_L]

I agree, a members or trade area would be a good idea on here. Tony?

[rxbren]

When I used to be a premium member on there it wasn't worth the hassle most people posted on the main forum about all issues, the odd post that was posted on there about rates always had the same answers of you need to work ll your costing s and what you want to earn rather than what an average rate is or job time. It was kind of petty as most of the time it was someone who does one area of work and asked to quote for a different type of work and wanting to be in the right area pricewise to either not be too cheap or too dear.
It has been a while since I've been on there so it maybe different.
This site gives out a lot of free information and the forum always seems to be littered with people wanting free advice which in turn could save them thousands you should add a donation button somewhere so they could contribute to your running fees/back pocket fund

[lutonlagerlout]

bizarrely there has been a donate button for around 10 years
2/3 down this page
http://www.pavingexpert.com/ajmcinfo.htm
a members only or private forum has been discussed and vetoed in the past
I like what We do to be an open book,living costs are high in the dirty south so market forces dictate that wages etc are higher
if anyone asks me what i am earning i always reply
"as much as possible" with a smile
no point being a busy fool
on the other hand I have done 3 small repair jobs this week in my own time *gratis* for repeat customers
for me personally if its not worth a ton and I like the person then it gets done for nowt
LLL

[seanandruby]

Maybe you should change the title of this thread to parents ( mainly mothers ) of the youth of today. A lad working with us, 30 years old, gets his "mommy" to ring up saying: he can't come in today because got a bad tummy ??? FFS, the mind boggles. In my day we had to earn to survive, no staying up all night
Burning the candle wax playing puter games, the auld fella seen to that. If not up in the morning you would be tipped out of bed narrowly missing the piss bucket if it wasn't thrown over you in the first place :;):
You started at the bottom on lowest pay and worked your way up learning each job properly as you went. You worked as a team because if you had to go back on something it cost everyone money. As LLL says it was a better craic in those days because people talked about proper stuff like sport, pubs, nightclubs, ladies etc: not soaps, or brain dead games. You had the odd idle get but they were uually odd odd.

[michaelthegardener]

im on landscape juice but I don't pay I don't fit in because I tell it like it is ??? I cant help thinking a lot of the people on there bullshit to few look down on the way I run my business lots of smaller jobs etc Anyway I shouldn't be moaning about the youth of today surely im not old enough yet im only 30

[Forestboy1978]

Yeah I found that too Michael. Quite honestly I don't like that forum.

They don't do things properly. I prefer to learn from real ground workers than "landscapers". Also they are a bit stuck up their own assess on there I've found!

[mickg]

hmmm really, I have met quite a few of them at different meetings and they are OK to be honest, just as passionate as the rest of us at what they do ....!

[lutonlagerlout]

the landscape juice fellas I met with you mick were great lads,
however for me landscape juice just isnt my cup of tea
nothing wrong with it just not for me
just saw your post RE £17 an hour on the m60
fair play to the lads that are getting it ,lets hope they save it because it wont last forever
LLL

[dig dug dan]

I did dabble on the landscape juice for a while, but its not for me. Its more gardening and pruning

[sy76uk]

I found landscape juice a helpful place to talk about garden design.

[exoticpete]

Hi all i agreed with all the comments regarding Landscape juice I find this site far more useful, I was just using there members section as an example of how subjects that the general public shouldn't be able to see for free (current pricing countrywide, spec trade tricks and tips and various other stuff) know the site was set up as a free resource and it is an amazing source of information just saying i would be happy to pay for that service not too much though....

The current rates being paid by the big guns is insane and as said by luton it will not last, just not happy how there able to damage smaller companies staff turnover because as we all know they will follow the dollar regardless.Cheers Pete

[mickg]

its only more useful here because most of the members on landscape juice are into maintenance rather than hard landscaping hence the conversations covers horticulture in general more than paving

[split59]

when I left school there was loads of work for a good grafter and if you weren't a grafter you were up the road. My first day as a paid labourer was for a small builder who I had approached whilst he was working he didn't believe I knew how to muck up etc let alone lay blocks, so I showed him ended up w parking for him for years saw loads of lads my age come and go complaining of long hours and how hard it was. But then I had spent a few years at a boarding school where during the week and all weekends we had. To grow our own crops and build and rebuild the school buildings. No way this nanny state and the world owes us a living mentality we live in now would this happen. This pic is of me and year building and i do mean building a new shower block

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[digerjones]

Brilliant, what year was this. I left school 85 I think. Would of left in may I suppose then started on the local farm when I turned 16 in the june