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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:40 pm
by London Stone Paving
Isn't the NHS the biggest employer in Europe?
A lot of people slag the NHS off. Everytime I have had experience of the NHS its been brilliant but obviously its not the same for everyone. My auntie had cancer and had to fight tooth and nail to get some drugs.
I do think they need to look at some form of privatisation though, surely competition would raise the standards. People who could afford could go private and pay reduced tax and people who couldn't afford to go private would use a more trimmed down, efficient NHS.
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:51 pm
by parishpaver
seanandruby wrote:p p. The march is to try and stop camclegg changing the nhs and to avoid it becoming privatised. When you can't get to see a dr, or get treatment without shelling out just remember ........sean tried for you :;):
I already shell out for the NHS, its dead weight middle management and legions of its retirees.
The NHS is a political football, something for the parties to argue about and easy to throw money at to create jobs given the absence of anything else for us to do and has become the largest employer is Europe.
Me? I don't care...I'm in Bupa
:laugh:
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:51 pm
by Carberry
I never use the NHS but I am grateful that it is there.
The healthcare system in America is f*cked. No surprise that they have the lowest life expectancy for developed countries.
Largest in Europe, 3rd largest in the world Steve.
Compared to other healthcare systems it is actually really good value for money, it has it's problems, it is a little wasteful but all things considered it is pretty good.
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:01 pm
by parishpaver
For a great look at US "healthcare" watch Michael Moore's documenary Sicko.
Sicko
They've definitely got it wrong over there.
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:01 pm
by lutonlagerlout
the problem with anything run by public purse is that it is bound to have way too many bureaucrats and not enough workers
the reason that luton council has shut down nearly all its council run care homes is because they are so expensive to run
the days of elderly relatives living with a son or daughter in their twilight years have gone
and it costs over a grand a week to keep them in a home
the private sector does this more cheaply because it is more efficient
public sector workers average (note well, average)12 sick days per year,this costs the taxpayer £9 billion
in the private sector (where workers often dont get full pay when sick) it averages 9.7 days per year
thats a lot of sickies being pulled
in America the average is 6 days per year
I have had dealings with the nhs with a heart scare 2 years ago and found every single person i encountered to be professional and the experience humbled me
most on here cannot afford bupa, same with pensions
LLL
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:08 am
by seanandruby
Think i'm starting to get your measure pp ???
It's nice to have your finances in place so that you can be with Bupa. Sadly that's not the case for the poor relations. I agree that there has to be some small changes ie: stop people being able to land here from foreign climes', go straight to hospital, jump the queue, get their treatment, have their baby, whatever sign a form ''promising'' to pay then flying home again until the next time they are ill. But for the majority of people in this country the NHS is a god send, we couldn't manage without it and privatisation will put us back 60 years. I don't pretend , for one minute to be clued up on politics but i know this much we need to make a stand. I don't think there is one person who uses this site that doesn't have family somewhere that relies heavily on the NHS.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:35 pm
by parishpaver
I reckon you know nothing about me Sean.
I wouldn't claim that I know anything about you from what you post on the internet.
With recurrent back problems I could find myself off for months waiting for an operation. I have peace of mind that that shouldn't be the case now.
And I reckon there's plenty on here earning more/have a lot more stable finances than me. They just have other priorities is all.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:49 pm
by Suggers
PP - I reckon Sean has you to a tee - when I run you over in the street, you'll come crying to me for an ambulance - you rich private medicine johnny's don't realise how you syphon off finance away from our NHS - they saved my life - flip you & flip your BUPA - all the best Sean for your next weekend.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:53 pm
by lutonlagerlout
can we at least try and not get personal in these debates guys 
they want us to squabble with each other,divide and conquer
LLL
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:09 am
by parishpaver
Suggers wrote:PP - I reckon Sean has you to a tee - when I run you over in the street, you'll come crying to me for an ambulance - you rich private medicine johnny's don't realise how you syphon off finance away from our NHS - they saved my life - flip you & flip your BUPA - all the best Sean for your next weekend.
I reckon you know nothing either.
And I pay for my own ambulance and nhs through my taxes and NI.
I just don't expect the government to hold my hand at every step.
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:23 pm
by seanandruby
so bluba will know when your lying unconcious then and send a private ambulance, you must have a built in gps system. I don't mind anybody having private health care, that's up to you. But your attitude is ''i don't care.'' your right i ''know nothing'' about you'' and am sorry your back is bad.....join the club, i expect most bods on here are the same and most rely on the nhs.
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:58 pm
by parishpaver
seanandruby wrote:so bluba will know when your lying unconcious then and send a private ambulance, you must have a built in gps system. I don't mind anybody having private health care, that's up to you. But your attitude is ''i don't care.'' your right i ''know nothing'' about you'' and am sorry your back is bad.....join the club, i expect most bods on here are the same and most rely on the nhs.
I'm sure in the case of an accident, or if you or suggers were to run me over, i'd have to put up with an ordinary persons ambulance.
I have private health care because a (lower class) friend was told he'd have to wait 12-18 months for an operation on his back whereas if he had cover it could be done straight away.
That sort of break from work would ruin me.
The Bentley would go unserviced.
The horses would have to eat broken carrots instead of the nice ones from waitrose.
And I dread to think what would happen to Charles and Harriet if we had to put them in a state school. (shudder).
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:15 pm
by lutonlagerlout
seanandruby wrote:join the club, i expect most* bods on here are the same
surprised to hear the workers champion use the term bods sean
surely you know that is short for bodies ? another derogatory term for unskilled labour :laugh: :laugh:
my old scud has been paying approx £140 a month into bupa for 25 years
i have used the NHS approx 10 times in that period (not including the genito urinary dept.)
he has had a few appointments and has had an operation on his knee by the NHS after bupa referred him
so in essence i cannot see the point unless you have outstanding issues anyway in which case they dont want you
my aunt and uncle live in Co wexford and they are scared to get ill,cost 30 euro to see a doctor and prescriptions can cost anything,
good luck
LLL
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:28 pm
by Suggers
Loved your last post PP - made me larf.... apologies if I wos a bit OTT - regards.
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:12 pm
by lutonlagerlout
normal service has resumed
all is well in the brew cabin
for now :;):
LLL