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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:49 pm
by mickg
and your running the whole job - struth words fail. . . !!
your first post
i would be happy for someone to come and give me a quote for the work.
then you say
im sure i can manage to do the paving as well
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jack if you dont mind me asking, whats your background as your questions are bouncing all over the place and your not listerning to the very good advice already given to you with regards to drainage
the lads on this forum are very experienced guys, I suggest you listen to what your being told as water falling towards a soak a way adjacent to the walls of the building is not and never has been the best construction practice
laying block paving on concrete is not the best way forward either but can be achieved if you know what your talking about - which you dont so it seems to me that your leeching info off the guys here to pay local lads maybe eastern european, polish etc 2 shillings and sixpence to carry out the work
correct me if I am wrong but thats how I see it . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:28 pm
by jack101
mickg wrote:and your running the whole job - struth words fail. . . !!
your first post
i would be happy for someone to come and give me a quote for the work.
then you say
im sure i can manage to do the paving as well
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jack if you dont mind me asking, whats your background as your questions are bouncing all over the place and your not listerning to the very good advice already given to you with regards to drainage
the lads on this forum are very experienced guys, I suggest you listen to what your being told as water falling towards a soak a way adjacent to the walls of the building is not and never has been the best construction practice
laying block paving on concrete is not the best way forward either but can be achieved if you know what your talking about - which you dont so it seems to me that your leeching info off the guys here to pay local lads maybe eastern european, polish etc 2 shillings and sixpence to carry out the work
correct me if I am wrong but thats how I see it . . .
1. the drainage is not too close to the building i will be about 2m away from the building and the paving close to the building will run into it. i know that this will work ok.
2. i am happy for someone to quote me for the works but that doesnt mean i write a cheque just because i got a quote, i would have to calculate the best way forward.
3. im not planning to use foreign labour, i am planning to use local labour but i dont employ people to work unless i know a bit about how to do the work as well. so im trying to get some advice and put that advice to good use. isnt that the point of online forums?
4. i am running the whole job and learning lots as i go along. you cannot tell me there is someone out there who could do what im doing without asking for advice along the way.
5. im in this to make a profit and restore an amazing building, trust me when i say there wasnt exactly a queue of people willing to take the job on.
6. i can do the paving or someone else could do the paving, it all depends on time and money.
7. everyone who is expert in their own field has told me from the beginning to get a another company in to do whatever work it is that they do. so paving people say get the paving done, roofers say get the roof done, demolition people. its perfectly natural that everyone wants their piece of the action. if their quote is reasonable to me then they can have the job if not then i WILL do it myself. it annoys me when people assume that it cant be done and they say you get what you pay for. well ive been doing just fine so far and i will continue to learn and apply that learning to the work that i do.
FYI i have been building single houses and shop extensions for 10 years but this is my biggest project to date. i own the building and have done for 13 years so i know a lot about the building.
just because most people cant do this dont assume that know one can!
know one has explained why it shouldnt be laid on concrete and it doesnt take paving experts to say it shouldnt be laid on concrete, one of my joiners didnt think it was a good idea, the other 2 did. personally im not sure THATS WHY IM ON THIS FORUM.
can someone please explain why the paving shouldnt be laid on concrete bearing in mind that some replies in the thread stated that it could?
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:40 pm
by lutonlagerlout
If the substrate is a monolithic surface, such as concrete or bitmac, any significant cracks or movement joints are potential problems, as they could well be the source of 'reflective cracking' in any new monolithic surface, when laid.
It's also possible for pre-existing cracks and movement joints to cause problems in segmental pavements. Any propagated crack is most likely to emerge in a joint within the new paving, rather than damage any of the new paving units. However, any such propagated crack is still liable to cause movement or settlement of the new paving.
LLL
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:43 pm
by jack101
lutonlagerlout wrote:jack101 wrote:in principal is it ok to lay on concrete? forget about the levels for the moment. should the blocks go straight onto the concrete or should they be glued down with some type of tar or cement?
in short NO
see
here for detail
LLL
ive read it and i dont think it applies to this job:
1. the concrete is about 16inches thick and ive been driving a 22 ton excavator over it for about 2 years along with piles of scaffolding, forklifts, pallets of bricks, dumper trucks and scissor lifts.
2. as stated prevously the levels are ok, the building already has a perimeter of concrete drainage channel to get rid of the surface water.
im not saying anything about reusing this drainage channel, im just saying it exists.
3. im not hell bent on leaving the concrete there, i have the equiptment to remove it in a single day. i just want a concrete (sorry) reason for doing so 
4. the existing concrete is very solid and isnt going to crack or move all though i accept there could be some issues of settlement where the trenches are but i was planning to compact them to the max.
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:46 pm
by mickg
1. what does perimeter mean
it does not mean 2 metres in from the edge jack, we are not mind reader nor do we possess crystal balls ???
2. RTFM
then return to the forum and ask questions
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:50 pm
by jack101
lutonlagerlout wrote:the best thing to do jack is to go to a local BM and get some samples
stuff in catalogues doesnt always look the same in RL
with a decent sized order like yours they may even send you samples
LLL
i went today - all useless! no one seems to stock brett products, one bm told me that brett are a bm. is that true? i thought brett made the blocks. im really keen on the aura block
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:55 pm
by jack101
mickg wrote:1. what does perimeter mean
it does not mean 2 metres in from the edge jack, we are not mind reader nor do we possess crystal balls ???
2. RTFM
then return to the forum and ask questions
yes i can see how i misled you there. try to see it from my point of view tho, i cant explain everything i know about the site in a few forum posts, i accept that you cant explain all of your knowledge in a few forum posts
so does the drainage trench sound better now?
i have read stuff on this site, its very helpfull. what advice do you have for laying on concrete? i was thinking it would need sticking down with some type of bitumen "glue"
i feel that paving laid and compacted on sand is bedded in place whereas there may be some slippage when laid on concrete, any thoughts on that?
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:56 pm
by mickg
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:04 am
by jack101
thanks for that, explains why i couldnt find anyone local - there arent any. do you know the aura product? is there something similar made be marshalls or anyone else?
thanks again.
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:26 am
by lutonlagerlout
it is a really bad idea to leave that concrete in due to settlement issues around it
i would really contact tony mccormack (the gaffer) and get him to design you summat and all will become clear
he has a massive portfolio of jobs the size of yours and bigger
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Sorry, we don't accept faxes (bloody thing kept going off in the middle of the night, so I binned it!) but you can telephone between 12noon and 4pm on +44 (0)1925 762034 the main reason jack is that brett are based in the south east of england
marshalls and tobermore are based in the north of england and ireland so would probably have more luck with them :;):
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:26 am
by lutonlagerlout
hmm gremlins in that post? ???
LLL
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:08 am
by cookiewales
Jack there are some stable blocks aprox200mm100mm With false joint there class o clay would be fine tradstocks in scotland ask for Peter top end paviours are similar price m2 as setts bought right look on salvo web but as lol says Tony mc is ya man he has the answers to all your ?
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:24 pm
by lutonlagerlout
you need bletchley park codebreakers to make any sense of cookie's grammar :;):
but i get the jist
LLL
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:16 pm
by Dave_L
This courtyard - is it subject to traffic?
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:24 pm
by cookiewales
lutonlagerlout wrote:you need bletchley park codebreakers to make any sense of cookie's grammar :;):
but i get the jist
LLL
That is me typing on I phone with out me readers lol