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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:11 pm
by Brucieboy
LLL - it goes back to a British Standard which has been handed down from specifier to specifier over the years. I'll see if I can dig it out. Screed is now predominently supplied to a European Standard, generally by flexural (bending) or compressive strength however the most common mix still equates to a 4:1. A 3:1 is rarely used because of the tendency to result in excessive shrinkage coupled with curling at the edges - these increase with an increase cement content. Most screeders don't like laying it either - it's too sticky.

The real acid test to determine the quality of in-situ screed is with the BRE Screed Tester (aka drop hammer). A 4kg weight is dropped through a height a 1 metre via a steel tube onto a 25mm diameter steel foot. After 4 drops a domestic (house) screed is considered acceptable if the indentation is no more than 5mm. This piece of kit really sorts out the good screed from the bad. We can supply an accurately batched 4:1 screed at the correct mositure content but if it's abused on site, i.e. poorly compacted and without any curing, particularly when the weather is very hot and dry, it can all go pear-shaped. In saying this, the drop hammer is not commonly used in domestic circumstances but more so on the larger commercial jobs (if specified by the architect/engineer or in the case of a dispute). Screeds for commercial properties/infrastructure buildings such as a hospital operating theatre have to suffer more stringent maximum indentation values, i.e. 4mm and 3mm respectively. Assessment by compressive strength (test cubes) can also be used if agreed.

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:24 pm
by Brucieboy
LLL - your site guys are spot on. Assuming they're using 25kg bags of cement and the grit sand has a typical moisture content of say 6%, their mix is 4.7:1 by weight which equates to about 4:1 by volume. When supplied to the old British Standard, BS 4721, the Designation "B" 4:1 by volume (most commonly specified screed at the time) had a compressive strength requirement of 18 N/mm2 at 28 days. As you can see from the Cemex data, their current 4:1 matches this being 20 N/mm2 at 28 days. When 3:1 is supplied it's generally for the heavier use applications (in most cases with fibres to minimise shrinkage). Most ready mixed screeds are retarded for 8 to 12 hours, i.e. a working day, and some may now contain a small proportion of ggbs or pfa. Early drying screeds are also available.

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:41 pm
by lutonlagerlout
the stuff they lay seems like iron the next day
all donegal and polish lads
it seems screeding isnt considered a trade in england whereas in ireland and poland they love it
team of 3 guys and the putz can lay 350m2 a day
that is a lot of area
I can do a bit of screeding ,porches ,bathrooms etc but its definitely a trade on its own
forgot to mention they put a handful of those nylon fibres in every mix
cheers bruce
LLL :)

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:59 pm
by Brucieboy
They sound a good crew. We're finding more and more screeders and specifiers are asking for fibres as standard - for the minimal extra cost it's worth it to reduce the risk of shrinkage. Some engineers get paranoid when they see even the smallest crack and want the screed ripped out - in most cases totally unwarrented. We use Adfil 660F polypropylene fibres. They're a fibrillated type of fibre (quite coarse), 6mm long and disperse very well in screed. We don't use the very fine monifilament fibres (a bit like chunks of cotton wool) as they don't disperse that well in semi-dry mixes such as screed. Some ready mixed suppliers use 12mm fibres - purely down to personal choice!!