The Brew Cabin

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:02 pm**

I've got an 18month old boy mark so I've forgot what a good nights sleep is lol.
I hope your right about the rest of it.

I agree with u there Dempsey.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:12 pm**

Thing is they're selling you half the stone but they aint doing it for half the price !!

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:23 pm**

The thing is Dempsy, Marshalls get there indian sandstone from the same quarry as they get the fairstone.
If you look at a piece of fairstone riven and there standard stuff you wouldn't tell the difference. I'm not saying there isn't one but you cant see it.
That also makes the stuff kota sandstone.
I can get 25mm calibrated for around Â£20m2. The Marshalls one is Â£25 but much better quality and not heavily riven.
I'm just a bit peaved I'm not getting what I asked for and that it could put my bussy schedule even further behind.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:36 pm**

Â£25m2 you say, I will forward this thread to my IDM right now.....

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:41 pm**

Why is that mick?

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:52 am**

DempseyLiverpool wrote:Thing is they're selling you half the stone but they aint doing it for half the price !!

I don't think its right to criticise Marshalls for selling 15-22mm paving. From what I can see the 15-22m stuff is a lower cost option for clients on a budget. There is a place for it I believe

Also its worth mentioning that the cost of buying stone from India has almost doubled in the last 5 or so years!

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:02 pm**

I agree with London stone. Not everyone can afford premium sandstone.

Problem solved today. I will be getting the 22 mm stuff but I'll have to wait a week for it.
They were brilliant on the phone with me realising that all partys were at fault and we resolved the problem amicably.
I thought that I was going to be stuffed for work for a week but when I explained the problem to the client, he thanked me for not just going ahead and laying the thin stone and told me to do his driveway whilst we are waiting for the stone.

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:51 pm**

Steve I remember you saying on here that any stone less than 25mm is classed a tile and not suitable for exterior use ?

Minimum I can see from London stone is 25mm.

We all know the biggest cost is installation so your budget client would pay more in installation for budget paving/tiles.

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:17 pm**

I know where you are coming from Dempsy. 250mm is still thin for a paving product. I'm used to doing commercial wm work where all the materials were heavy duty.

You also have to consider the density of the stone. Marshalls only use high quality dense stone so 22 mm stone from them is probably going to be stronger that other 40mm softer stone on the market. I wouldn't use anything less that 20mm.

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:01 pm**

like dempsey i still prefer the big old style hand cut stone
ok so the big ones were hard work but felt solid

sy the stone that is calibrated or honed generally comes from a soft area
I believe that is why a lot of autumn blend still comes in uncalibrated

(this is from my own experience of cutting honed and riven stone,riven is always much harder to cut)

cheers LLL

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:00 am**

DempseyLiverpool wrote:Steve I remember you saying on here that any stone less than 25mm is classed a tile and not suitable for exterior use ?

Minimum I can see from London stone is 25mm.

We all know the biggest cost is installation so your budget client would pay more in installation for budget paving/tiles.

I cant remember saying that Ashley, although I could be mistaken

Cue one of the administrators to find the post and prove me wrong haha

I remember a thread on this years ago where we discussed stone thicknesses

When London Stone shifted from variable thickness to calibrated stone we did a bit of research into what other companies were doing. All our Indian suppliers were pushing us towards 22mm, this was the new standard and the majority of UK suppliers were now buying their Indian Sandstone in a 22mm thickness.

I always felt that 22mm was too thin, especially when you factor in the tolerance of +/- 3mm with the odd +/- 5mm thrown in. We calculated that 25mm stone was over 40% stronger than 22mm and based on this we were prepared to take a hit and go for the thicker material. If we shifted to 22mm (which we could do at a heartbeat) we could save a lot of money but its not something I would be willing to do as the fact that all our stone is 25mm is one of our USP's and also we like to standardize things as much as possible when it comes to sizes. "you can have whatever thickness you want as long as its 25mm"

I'm not slating 22mm stone, I just believe that 25mm is better which it clearly is.

A lot of people miss that the real saving on buying 22mm material is in the shipping cost. The more stone you can squeeze into a container the more your unit cost comes down. 550-600m2 of 22mm material can be stuffed into a shipping container, where as with the 25-40mm stuff it was maximum 400m2!!!

I agree with your last comment 100% but lots of clients are on very tight budgets and while its not difficult to understand the logic behind it they simply don't have the luxury of being able to see the bigger picture

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:10 pm**

looks like it was MSH
bottom of this thread
http://ext.pavingexpert.com/cgi-bin....+a+tile

cheers LLL

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:32 pm**

New someone said it :;):

I'll take Â£16 + vat, is that delivered

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:56 pm**

What's the view on marshals only using kota sandstone because of how hard it is and the low porosity rating?

Is 22mm kota sandstone better than 25mm of any other type, say camal or saga black for instance?

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:23 pm**

All these technical geologist terms are you in the wrong job. Had to google them.

In my experience, when cutting, the darker the slab the harder they are to cut so looking at googles images I would say the Saga.
The others particularly the Camel look a little like the discontinued Golden Sand:rock:

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Marshalls standard sandstone question.