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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:46 pm
by mickg
thats what i thought too, the guy using the plunger must be very good
a few builders merchant in my area have a gun on the shelves with various nozzles what you use normal sand and cement for pointing, not seen it in use but like you say Giles I have been told they push the water out leaving a solid lump in the tube
the easipoint gun I bought was nearly £40 plus vat but it does work very well
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:52 pm
by msh paving
lutonlagerlout wrote:msh paving wrote:the easipoint gun and the faithfull gun both use 63mm downpipe as tubes so easy and cheap to replace the durgun ones are made by durgun only and only fit there gun, but its no a problem if you look after your tools....MSH 
think its 68mm mark??
LLL ???
I think you are correct tony 
MSH
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:58 pm
by msh paving
GB_Groundworks wrote:tried the mastic type guns, not with easipoint but with normal mortar and ended up pushing all the water out and leaving a solid block in the gun then threw it in the workshop never to see the light of day again, i'll stick with romex for patio work.
as tony says in his review you have to use lots of plasticiser and get it like sloppy cream
the mix on the video looks limey
Before i found instamac or easipoint i used to mix my own 2/1 kiln dry sand cement and a good squirt of fairy liquid fro pointing slabs ,it main thing is to keep cement content high to stop water segregation,and to use very soft fine sand,
always clean the tube out between fills to stop dry stuff sticking,
not tried doing brickwork with one ill leave that to mr lout....
MSH
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:22 pm
by Davesmate
Why bother with a gun at all when it is so much faster and you get a better result with the slurry aplied mortars from GftK available from www.nccstreetscape.co.uk - no danger of shrinkage, rain damage, staining or breaking your back! Case Study videos on the website to see.
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:38 pm
by London Stone Paving
As I have said on other posts I have a big problem with the slurry applied mortars. The shine they leave on the paving completely alters the look of the paving.
the manafacturers always say that it will wear off after a few months. In my experience it does not!
Whats your line on that Davesmate?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:39 pm
by mickg
not everyone has the luxury of working on commercial contracts where the pointing is specified by the client or architect, you can't always justify the additional cost of these high performance mortars on domestic work
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:49 pm
by lutonlagerlout
:laugh:
I have to say i like the easipoint better then the epoxys but thats on domestic installations
if i was doing thousands of metres i might change my views
LLL
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:02 pm
by mickg
yeah i agree Luton, different ball game on large areas
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:07 pm
by Davesmate
Hi there
A very good point LLG - and exactly why I keep trying to say that all epoxy resins and polymeric sand mortars are not the same - for example we work with literally hundres of different resin, hardeners and filler components and combinations from all over the world. water dispersed, solvent free, solvented, water miscible, etc., and many different companies including huge multinationals like Sika, BASF, Fosroc and Remmers, plus small to medium sized companies like Ronacrete, Instarmac and from Germany GftK because in our opinion their epoxy and polymeric sand paving mortars are by far the best!
Speicifcally this does relate very much to the possibility of staining and residual surface sheen and although correct preparation and application (and the type of stone and its porosity / sensitivity of course), using the right product formulation is by far the most important 'component' of a good job! The use of pre-resin coated spherical graded sand is definitely a key component of maintaining product cohesion, self compacting and non-leaching or 'bleeding' as it is also known and which gives rise to the residual sheen
Try a look at the videos on www.nccstreetscape.co.uk - and call Gary or david on 01257 266696 and I am sure they will be pleased to show you the difeerence personally!
Hope this helps
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:51 pm
by msh paving
London Stone Paving wrote:As I have said on other posts I have a big problem with the slurry applied mortars. The shine they leave on the paving completely alters the look of the paving.
the manafacturers always say that it will wear off after a few months. In my experience it does not!
Whats your line on that Davesmate?
I have been using GTFK and not had any problems with any sheen or shine,the next day slabs are the same as they was before application, MSH
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:19 pm
by GB_Groundworks
yeah no problem here with sheen etc, as for cost its about the same when you take into account labour, time saved opportunity cost of wasting time pointing when i can be out earning,
can anyone tell me, (without lots of thinking) how much one mix costs? sand, cement, plasticier, sbr, fuel/elctric/, labour, depreciation, washout mess and clean up?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:25 pm
by msh paving
my guess is around 5-6 quid, depending on mix size....MSH
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:52 am
by cookiewales
msh paving wrote:my guess is around 5-6 quid, depending on mix size....MSH
the driveway i am doing private 120m2 sandstone tumbled tegla style am pointing with instarmac cempoint yorkstone 10 pound for 20kg epoxy romex at 39 pounds 25kg my costs for driveway and patio60m2 700 pound epoxy 2400 pounds pointing with gun three men one half days romex 6hours would use epoxy but cant convince punters on jobs under 15k when working on million pound plus houses the driveways stand the costs plus gftk want 50pound 25kg would love a compesor set up to point with cheers cookie
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:11 am
by cookiewales
john wrote:Cookie--do you lay your setts as quick as you type..
put some commas in for a break.I cant hold my breath anymore reading your comments LOL.
On a serious note where were you in Liverpool --my neck of the woods.
John
i was working in allerton l18 stoping in penny lane then royal quay back there soon will let you know when there cheers cookie :;):