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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:32 am
by msh paving
by downrating a 7.5t to 3.5t you remove the need for operator liecence, nothing to do with inshurance cover, depending on the lorry sometime you have to change the wheel studs to 6stud from 7 stud,
a 7,5t lorry weighs around 3.4t ish empty buy down rating it you gross train is down to 3.5t same a a transit so load capicity is virtually nothing,a friend of mine did the same and was able to carry 800kg totall pointless idea and if you get pulled for weigh they will fine you large amount because you have blatenty broke law, as lorry rd tax is 164 quid for 7.5t lorry you save nothing, yes i have a operator liecence but it one of them things but it no bit issue MSH 
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:35 am
by rxbren
In theory drive on a b license, no tacho, no o license and no 6 weekly checks
Considering a lot of 7.5t wagons have a 4t payload he could be over the 3.5t with just the hiab on the back
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:42 am
by msh paving
6 week inspections are only if your a haulage contractor, i do 11 weeks as a builder i dont do millage , tacho i hardly ever fit as i keep within the 100km from base so not needed anyway, MSH
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:01 am
by Donk
downrating means the truck can carry the extra weight safely no problem thats all. For example, can just fit 2.6ton of hardcore physically on the bed or 2 packs of roof tiles (heavy sods probably 1.3ton each) which is handy now and again. A little trannie wouldn't cope as its not got a proper truck ladder chassis.
Having this flexibility saves a lot of time and money in a year!
If I want larger loads we just call in the 6 or 8 wheeler.
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:31 pm
by jwill
I've thought this with the ivecos. You can get the 5 and I think 6 tonners which appear pretty similar to the 3.5's
I suppose the question is what's better. Running a 3.5 with better rated springs to appear all cushdy for when we occasionally overload
Or downplate 5tonner but with kicker that you will have less legal payload so be more likely to be over. Due to heavier unladen weight.
With regards to the ivecos would the chassis be built different on a 5 tonner as opposed to a 3.5 tonner? Or is it other things like axles and suspension which is better?
Out of interest op what is your unladen weight?!
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:57 pm
by Pablo
Late model Ivecos are all built off a standard chassis that's lengthened etc to suit. The axles , springs and wheels etc get beefier as you go through the cats. The new Iveco is slightly different so they can get the 3.5 tonner from the heaviest in class to lightest but it's still much tougher than the others.
I'm currently trying to source a straight 6.5 ton XLWB crew tipper, bloody hard to find! Fed up p#ssing about with 3.5 tons and the new lower train weights. Whoever designed my MK7 Transit wants beating with a kerb maul!!!
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:07 pm
by jwill
I reckon you get better bang for buck on them as not every man can drive one with normal license. What's an unladen 6 tonne iveco weigh?
Agreed tho they do look the most capable
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:10 pm
by jwill
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... ID=EBAY-GB
Look at this still got decent legal weight if downrated to 3.5. 1.1t if my maths right?
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:57 am
by Donk
twin cab wouldnt bother.
I think if I was in the paving game having to haul stuff to client sites day in day out I would just bite the bullet and get a O licence and a proper truck. Just not worth buggering about. As I'm not and use the extra capacity infreqently its nice to know I have the capacity of a 7.2ton which has been paperworked down to 3.5.
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:59 pm
by msh paving
you dont have the capicity to 7.2 tons because it been down rated ,end of story it can leagally be max gross weight of 3.5t if you deduct the weight gross and tare you will be lucky to carryanything my 7.5t tipper weighs 4.3t ton tare with my tool box so i can carry 3.1 ton , so on those figures you can carry nothing, i think you have been very misinformed of what you are doing donk, have a look at you figures and post your weights
what you saying donk is to break the law every day with what your doing
MSH 
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:03 pm
by Donk
yeah that's right msh of course they sell tippers/pick ups with no load rating.
you'll be telling us next it doesnt have a steering wheel.
Best you give Iveco a ring and give tell them all about how you know better than them.
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:33 pm
by msh paving
you do as you like but a down rated 7.5t to 3.5t cant carry anything im not saying anymore , but i hope vosa explain it to you on the roadside
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:46 pm
by dig dug dan
Im with msh.iveco do sell vehicles with payload, but You have downrated to 3.5tonne, therfore anything iveco say about weights goes out the window.
Go to weighbridge empty, with you in the cab, and then come back to us to tell us its tare weight
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:02 pm
by rxbren
More than likely over weight before the driver even sits in it
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:23 pm
by GB_Groundworks
Donk wrote:yeah that's right msh of course they sell tippers/pick ups with no load rating.
as sarcastic as you want to be you've opted to down rate it to save yourself money, why stop there; run it on red, no seat belt, no tax, no mot, get drunk?