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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:13 am
by kariba
probst looks real good. I'm just starting out on my own so might have to be an investment sometime down the track!
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:18 am
by Tony McC
Kneeling when screeding is bad ergonmics. You are using your back muscles to drag damp sand rather than the biggest muscles in your body, the quadraceps at the back of your thighs. Knee pads or not, kneeling to screed is bad for you in the long term.
If you've never tried the upright screeding systems, such as the one mentioned by Mark, I beg you to give it a go. It's so bloody effective and logical when you think about it.
It won't be suitable for every nook and cranny or awkward shape, where you may well be back down on your knees, but the less time your spend praying to the paving gods, the longer you'll last in this game.
If I was still contracting, I wouldn't hesitate to use an upright system. I'd probably jury-rig something myself rather than pay the hard-to-justify prices of the manufactured systems, but the principle is what counts.
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:00 am
by kariba
if things take off and paving contracts come up then I will be looking into it for sure. just trying to keep spending down until decent coin comes in. so off topic but still kind of on topic I have decided to buy this compactor. what do you guys think?
http://www.crommelins.com.au/6.0hp-CC70R-Crommelins-Plate-Compactor
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:02 am
by msh paving
i bought mine after seeing it the first year it was introduced at SED,i guess about 10 years ago.money well spent,i feel so much better no crawling around in sand getting all over clothes in ya' boots ,Dont get me wrong i still use a hand screed if needed,i also have a small one from probst on a long handle which is used free hand again no crawling about. MSH 
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:21 am
by kariba
Maybe santa will be extra thoughtful this year
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:27 pm
by mickg
I hired the probst easyscreed 7 years ago and they are no good if you have fully compacted sand (2 -3 passes with the vibrating plate) as it just comes up off the surface of the sand and no matter what way I used it could not get it to screed correctly
it has since been explained to me how to use it and to be honest I will continue screeding the sand the way I always have done until they put me in a box 6 feet under
as for being on your knees not being the correct way to screed sand is utter bollox as shown on this video taken not that long ago
screeding the sand laying course
the only reason it has changed is due to some H&E bloke walking round a site with a clip board making himself look important and companies being scared to death of being sued
I shake my head in disbelief
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:35 pm
by GB_Groundworks
trainers all round in that video i can see the merits though of screeding in a upright position but each to their own
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:16 pm
by dig dug dan
My gripe is that the screeding tool seems to be only supplied by probst, so they charge a small fortune for them.
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:35 pm
by msh paving
i have owned mine well over 10 years, at a cost of £300ish ,as far as i can see it will do another 10, so i think a good investment ,quality tools don't come cheap MSH
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:32 pm
by lutonlagerlout
I noticed this video on the sidebar of screeding the sand
go to 1:10 to really have a chuckle
fail installation
thing is he is just ignorant,he thinks he is doing it great
cheers LLL
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:41 pm
by KLS
Noticed spot bedding too!
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:10 am
by lutonlagerlout
thats why i was laughing :laugh:
LLL
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:43 am
by Tony McC
dig dug dan wrote:My gripe is that the screeding tool seems to be only supplied by probst, so they charge a small fortune for them.
No - you can get other 'brands' but the quality may vary.
Optimas, Orit, AK Plader....they aren't always easy to get in Britain and Ireland because they are manufactured in Europe and they've long since realised that the Brits and the Irish prefer to struggle, so not much point in setting up an expensive distribution network over here.
However, you can order them in from Europe (and it's worth shopping around as the same tool in, say, Slovenia, can be 100 Euro cheaper than in Germany) and they'll ship them over willingly. Better still, if you are ever in that Europe, invite yourself along to one of their stockists and get yourself treated to a live demonstration. The Germans, in particular, love to show off their tools (ooh err, missus!)