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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:00 pm
by dig dug dan
I knew someone that asked the customer if he could be paid in cash, for a small discount.
he found out from the neighbour that he was a tax inspector! oooops! 
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:15 pm
by rab1
my drinking buddys dad is tax (vat) evasion investigator for hm C&E.
At parties he now tells people he`s an office manager. ???
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:33 am
by jonnyboyentire
Talk about a hornets nest!!
Lets look at the VAT.
I have bought three c/v's now where there was no VAT. Two from private individuals, and one from a vat registered garage. That one, the Navara, came into the garage as a p/ex from a private individual who had bought it new, paid the vat, but of course when he sold it on could not apply VAT as he was a private individual, ergo it was out of the vehicluar VAT loop. The way it was explained to me (and this was confirmed, well, sort-of, by my accounts girl was as above. What she said, paraphrased, was this:-
New vehicle £30k bought by vat regd tradesman. Vat is £6000, recoverable, hence da vatman gets nowt, effectively. Same as it is passed down the line between vat'd garages/companies - input and output VAT, and sooner or later someone smaller/private will buy it, pay the VAT, and da vatman gets to keep it.
Scenario two - £30k vehicle, £6k vat, bought outright by private individual, who cannot recover the £6k. When he sells it on he can't charge vat, but if it goes to a garage or a vat'd tradesman, he won't pay vat as it is coming via a vat-paid-and-not-recovered source. Otherwise, when said owner 2 sells it on there is more bloody vat charged ie a 2nd lot.
Seemples ? Nope.
There are garages out there all the time who advertise a van "price is £x no vat on this one". The story is always the same, "it was bought it from a non-vat registered source."
Remember when you look at a sh car/van/whatever and you want to lease it - "vat qualifying/non-vat qualifying". No prizes for guessing which route either vehicle came from...?
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:42 am
by jonnyboyentire
Addressing the spare wheel thing. I have never seen a spare wheel checked at an MOT test.
I too have owned multiple cabstars, all of which were single rear wheel. The five twin-wheelers I looked at before I bought this one were all spare-free. My mate the tree-surgeon has the same truck and it is spare-free.
Oh, and my Iveco daily crewcab tipper (twin wheel) is, you guessed it, spare free. That came from a dealer specialising in end-of lease tippers/pickups. It was him that told me no-one buying a twin-wheel bothers much....
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:27 am
by Dave_L
GB_Groundworks wrote:Never had a commercial vehicle without a spare wheel it's a requirement to carry one, had 2 cabstars always had them.
Nope, its an urban myth in the motoring world - neither a spare wheel has to be carried or affixed to the vehicle nor is its condition checked at test. It could be completely bald with wire poking out!
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:02 am
by GB_Groundworks
That's crap when I lived in Munich they used to check it, and your triangle hi viz jacket etc,
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:12 am
by Tony McC
lutonlagerlout wrote:some proper fit bint was sat on the bike next to me,
anyway she starts chatting away la-di-la etc etc
I think that's well and truly buggered-up your chance of landing one of the jobs currently vacant at Sky Sports, Tony!
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:28 pm
by jonnyboyentire
GB_Groundworks wrote:That's crap when I lived in Munich they used to check it, and your triangle hi viz jacket etc,
Errr Munich isn't under UK rule is it?
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:34 pm
by lutonlagerlout
jonnyboyentire wrote:GB_Groundworks wrote:That's crap when I lived in Munich they used to check it, and your triangle hi viz jacket etc,
Errr Munich isn't under UK rule is it?
when the Reich rises again , and Adolph Bertenshaw is calling the shots you will all be in trouble........
"you vill carry ze spare veel schweinhund!!!"
jk Giles
:;):
LLL
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:54 pm
by dig dug dan
Johnny, phone the Vat office on this one. I think you should be charging vat. end of
All cabstars when sold brand new have a spare wheel and carrier.
the reason you have seen so many without is that many people do away with them to stop them being stolen, and to increase their payload. So if you have been looking at second hand vehicles, this is why you have come across this.
Pikeys tend to sell them rather than keep them on
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:16 pm
by GB_Groundworks
jonnyboyentire wrote:GB_Groundworks wrote:That's crap when I lived in Munich they used to check it, and your triangle hi viz jacket etc,
Errr Munich isn't under UK rule is it?
yeah i was making the point that its crap that we dont have to have one or a warning triangle or a hi viz jacket in the car.
although alot of ppl cant change their own wheel
haha @ tony lout, good job you dont work for sky they'd be after you for nationalism or stereotypism
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:36 pm
by Ted
Even in Angola, a country far less developed than the UK, one must carry a high viz and triangle! No need for a spare though, nor an MOT!
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:00 pm
by lutonlagerlout
sky??
I wouldn't even get on 3 counties!!
Am I missing the point here?
surely it is nigh on stupid not to carry a serviceable spare wheel and a jack that works plus wheel brace?
I know the AA wont come out for a puncture if you don't have a serviceable spare (my sister out law tested this theory)
for the time being i will continue to carry the spare on my twin wheel cabstar
LLL 
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:06 pm
by michaelthegardener
me mate works for the AA he had his spare nicked
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:20 pm
by Hawk
bought my van about 4 years ago when I wasn`t Vat registered, now I am Vat registered and upgrading my van,
question is do I charge Vat on the sale ?