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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:13 pm
by Dave_L
Either way, it's going to be a rip part of it up and install s/away, at least?
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:31 pm
by pavingpipe
Dave_L wrote:Either way, it's going to be a rip part of it up and install s/away, at least?
surely the soakaway at the end of the drive is the smaller job ....just cutting away the bricks, laying the channel and then arranging the soakaway bits...
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:43 pm
by mickg
your soak a way won't work in clay so you will need to install an over flow outlet from the soak a way connected to your existing surface water drainage system.
which way do the surface water drains run on your property, are they running forward towards the pavement or to the rear of your property ?
I take it that the contractor doing the work did not inform you of the current legislation or have you carried out the work yourself ?
which town are you from ?
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:28 pm
by pavingpipe
mickg wrote:your soak a way won't work in clay so you will need to install an over flow outlet from the soak a way connected to your existing surface water drainage system.
which way do the surface water drains run on your property, are they running forward towards the pavement or to the rear of your property ?
I take it that the contractor doing the work did not inform you of the current legislation or have you carried out the work yourself ?
which town are you from ?
the surface water drains run to the rear of the property I think.
re the problem with the clay - so they local council are wasting their time insisting on 30% soft landscaping as the water wouldn't drain anyway....
the contractor didn't mention the legislation.....
looks like I have a few problems....
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:08 pm
by mickg
the contractor didn't mention the legislation.....
looks like I have a few problems....
even though its the house owners responsibility if he is a reputable contractor then he should of been up to speed with the changes made to the planning legislation last year and he should of advised you accordingly
you certainly have got a few problems because its much easier to install a soak a way and drains before the paving is laid...doh
another way round this problem is to install the drainage channels (you need these anyway across the driveway/pavement) what are connected into a sump hole instead of a soak a way and in this sump hole you need a pump with a float what will activate the pump when it rains to pump the water up to the existing surface water drainage system, the pipe from the pump will only be about 2" so you will not have to remove as much depth of ground to install the pipe but you will need to install wiring for the pump
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:39 pm
by Suggers
mickg wrote:which town are you from ?
That info might help - my missus is in planning, fully conversant with the front garden issues - (she & I disagree over the whole sheebang) - she's never heard of the 30% soft-landscaping thang?
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:17 am
by pavingpipe
Suggers wrote:mickg wrote:which town are you from ?
That info might help - my missus is in planning, fully conversant with the front garden issues - (she & I disagree over the whole sheebang) - she's never heard of the 30% soft-landscaping thang?
London town
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:57 pm
by pavingpipe
Suggers wrote:mickg wrote:which town are you from ?
That info might help - my missus is in planning, fully conversant with the front garden issues - (she & I disagree over the whole sheebang) - she's never heard of the 30% soft-landscaping thang?
it is actually stated as "must be 50%, but 30% will be accepted for smaller gardens"
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:30 pm
by haggistini
This is typical scenario of the new Reg’s, just drop the curb you was not informed beforehand your contractor is at fault! and how was he to know (unless he looked at paving catalogue recently) just tell them you'll take showers instead of baths to balance it out.
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:36 pm
by haggistini
Suggers can you ask your misses if she can photocopy the information at her work so we too can all be conversant with the legislation and ask them to leave a few copy’s lying around at builder’s yards and paving suppliers
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:04 pm
by Tony McC
pavingpipe wrote:....just cutting away the bricks, laying the channel and then arranging the soakaway bits...
I'm not sure you've grasped just how large is a soakaway. Even if you use a single crate (and the LA is likely to insist on at least two), you need a hole roughly 1.5m long, 1m wide and a metre deep. Allowing for battering the sides of the hole, at the surface you;re likely to have an opening of around 2.5m x 2m
Then, if you are on clay, you'll need a surcharge pipe connected back to the SW drainage system.
You could end-up re-laying over half of the existing driveway.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:39 pm
by pavingpipe
Tony McC wrote:pavingpipe wrote:....just cutting away the bricks, laying the channel and then arranging the soakaway bits...
I'm not sure you've grasped just how large is a soakaway. Even if you use a single crate (and the LA is likely to insist on at least two), you need a hole roughly 1.5m long, 1m wide and a metre deep. Allowing for battering the sides of the hole, at the surface you;re likely to have an opening of around 2.5m x 2m
Then, if you are on clay, you'll need a surcharge pipe connected back to the SW drainage system.
You could end-up re-laying over half of the existing driveway.
If that is the case, what do you suggest I can do to address the problem i have with the droppped kerb application
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:49 pm
by Tony McC
I suggest what I said in my first post: apply for retrospective PP. The worst that can happen is they say no, which leaves you exactly where you are at the moment, but with no costs.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:51 pm
by pavingpipe
Tony McC wrote:I suggest what I said in my first post: apply for retrospective PP. The worst that can happen is they say no, which leaves you exactly where you are at the moment, but with no costs.
If retrospective pp is refused - then could they then request the driveway to be removed?
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:54 pm
by rab1
yes, building control can basically do what they want. as LLL said: they say jump, you ask how high.