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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:58 pm
by r896neo
Thanks for the replies!
No haven't been using brick mortar but getting RTU to do screed with 8hr and mixed up to a stiff brick-laying consistancy.
Your right though it is dear at 100 + VAT but still works out better for me.
I had a chat with carryduff when i was doing a job up near there about small loads and they said they would but i remember ruling it out due to the price, can't remember what it was.
Do north stone deliver in small loads?
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:34 am
by Dave_L
Without wanting to sound like a broken record VOSA are targeting builders and other commercial outfits using trailers to drag loads of concrete away from the ex-works pan mixer locally.....all sorts of questions are being asked- tachos etc etc
Many trades are physically removing towballs from their vans now.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:17 am
by lutonlagerlout
i saw a do as you likey with 3 packs of CBP on the back of his cabstar in a local BM last week
thats 3 tonnes in my book or 2 tonne overweight :O
LLL
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:39 am
by Brucieboy
Dave - interesting point about collect concrete. We often get people come in asking for 1m3 or more of sem-dry in a small flat bed or trailer. Quite often they don't realise (or don't care) that 1m3 weighs about 2.3 - 2.4 tonnes. In such situations, the batchers are under instruction to advise every person of the fact. Most just shrug their shoulders and say their vehicle/trailer is capable of taking the load. It's difficult for the batchers to refuse in these situations - some people get very a*sy about it.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:42 am
by Dave_L
That's ridiculous - and those are the people I would support being targeted by VOSA. That would be 3000kg at the very least - and I'd even have to think twice about putting that on our 7500kg wagon.
It's got so tight down here, we cannot afford to take chances with axle loadings - and have had to install axle weight indicators to our wagons. Very useful really.....and eye-opening to exactly what you're loading onto your truck.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:44 am
by Dave_L
Bruce - yes, I see that very often in our local batch plant, but without the use of a weighbridge, how can you realistically enforce it?? Local tar plant does it that way, there's no leeway either too, which is good for everyone really.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:23 am
by Brucieboy
That's the problem, a high proportion of concrete plants in the UK are stand-alone without a weighbridge because the industry sells by volume. In these situations it's very difficlult to enforce. As you point out it's not just gross weight that comes into play, it's axle weight as well. We can tell the customer exactly how much goes into each load because virtually every concrete plant now uses a batch computer. By pressing one or two buttons, the batcher can access the batch record and advise the total weight to the kg. Batch records (mostly now electronic) showing the exact weight (or volume for some admixtures) of every constituent material batched for every load have to be retained for many years under QA regulations. These are inspected routinely during both internal and external audits to verify their accuracy against target quantities.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:18 pm
by DNgroundworks
Why would you need a tacho anyway? ive got it in writing from vosa that i can move my own materials and equipment for use in the course of my work ie: not being paid by a third party to move it? without a tacho. Obviously the loading's have to be correct etc
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:53 pm
by Pablo
1.2m3 brings my trailer to 3.5 ton exactly and my van has a gross of 7 ton so even if vosa got of I'd be fine. Most concrete plants here have a weigh bridge to weigh material deliveries in and I regularly run over them just for peace of mind. We aren't governed by the same regs here and there's barely enough vosa staff to bother the hgv boys let alone us and there's no tacho requirement. Basically if vosa stopped the wrong people in the wrong area they or their vehicle would be shot at so they can only operate with heavy police cover and hmrc usually double up with them to check the diesel.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:52 pm
by haggistini
Feck that for a job ........
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:52 am
by Dave_L
DNgroundworks wrote:Why would you need a tacho anyway? ive got it in writing from vosa that i can move my own materials and equipment for use in the course of my work ie: not being paid by a third party to move it? without a tacho. Obviously the loading's have to be correct etc
Well either they've interpreted it wrongly or the VOSA guys down here have a dislike for builders/trades towing trailers >750kg!!
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:42 pm
by DNgroundworks
I dont think so Dave the exemeption is there for all to see on the web, they just dont like you lot 
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:39 pm
by msh paving
Its the same nation wide Dan,tacho's are required,you check out all travis perkins delivery pickup's, speady hire,
any towing for comercial use needs one.my mate runs a vintage car hire buisness for weddings each car is towed on trailer to the area,VOSA made him put tacho in his land cruiser cost off £1k,all new izuzu pickups come pre wired for tacho fitting ,i'm as bad as anyone but only tow 1.5t digger as you cant tow a 3 tonner it goes on back off lorry MSH 
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:01 pm
by Carberry
msh paving wrote:Its the same nation wide Dan,tacho's are required,you check out all travis perkins delivery pickup's, speady hire,
any towing for comercial use needs one.my mate runs a vintage car hire buisness for weddings each car is towed on trailer to the area,VOSA made him put tacho in his land cruiser cost off £1k,all new izuzu pickups come pre wired for tacho fitting ,i'm as bad as anyone but only tow 1.5t digger as you cant tow a 3 tonner it goes on back off lorry MSH
Thought you only needed that if delivering the vehicle isn't your main job and you're travelling less than 50 miles from your base or something.
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:13 pm
by DNgroundworks
MSH your wrong mate, they need a tacho because they are being paid to move the machine, we talked about this quite in depth on the CE Forums. As a result i spoke to someone at VOSA, and she sent me an email confirming that in my circumstances i do not need either a tacho or a O licence, i carry the paper work with me.
Ive done a fair bit of research into it, Heres the link to the other forum where i talk about it a bit more in depth.
http://www.ceforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2777&page=4