The Brew Cabin

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:59 pm**

point taken. i'm on the case. found this from mac trailers-looks ideal

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:02 pm**

You'll be needing a C1+E (artic licence) to tow that with any wagon with any form of machinery contained in it.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:10 pm**

with agricultural tractors, if they are being used for non agriculural use you have to have tthe relevant driving entitlement so think that would apply to the kramer as well towing the tailer have to have c1 + e

stuarty "For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E."

ok earthmovers quote "most landy offer the maximum towing capacity to car drivers, 3.5 tonnes but that doesnt mean its safe or legal t tow such a weight"

"another popular towing vehicle is ford transit with so many variants gross train weight extends from 3.5 tonne to 6.5 tonnes with towing cpacities up to a MAXIMUM of 3 tonnes"

your vehicle with have a gross train weight on the vin plate think mine is 4850kg kerb weight is 2030kg plus tools etc adds 500kg giving max weight for trailer of 2.3 tons inc the trailer so basically a 1.5ton machine or roller. even a 2 ton machine be over rated.

i'll scan the article in when i get a second.

get some ramps for a tipper, or get a planner on your 3cx

Edited By GB_Groundworks on 1299536017

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:11 pm**

my cabstar is single wheels on the back axle, in the cab it tells you train weight 5100kg. pickup is gross 3400kg so what ever you got behind it should not exceed 1700. so trailor 750kg leaves 950kg for buckets and digger.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:15 pm**

if the pickup is a 3 1/2 transit and the train weight is 4850kg it means you can tow 1350kg i think.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:20 pm**

so much miss information knocking around isnt there my mate says etc, max towing capacity for vehicles is simply that there max sensible towing capacity on a closed test track etc doesnt mean its legal, when im on agg work i can legally tow 16 tons behind my tractor to a max weight of 24.5 tons i bet it would easily pull a 747 on a flat concrete surface which is 408 tons hehe

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:50 pm**

Loading a mini digger (2 or 3 ton machines) onto the back of a 7500kg wagon with a set of buckets you've got to think about axle loadings..............

An hour at a weighbridge with your outfit would be time and money very wisely spent.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:18 pm**

most importantly fellas, if you do get stopped overweight, you must explain that you are on your way to the nearest weighbridge to see what your load weighs, you cant be proscecuted then when they do check.also they have a percentage that they will allow over the max limit before proscecuting, it may be 12% if my memory serves me but like giles says, theres loads of confusion and hearsay, we need clearer vin plates that explain the exact full tow weight and vehicle weight. also never assume a 3t machine weighs 3t, not always the case, can be 1t over that with fuel etc, i think yanmar 3t weighs 3,800 :rock:

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:48 am**

our digger man uses a rigid (ex john lewis mercedes)lorry with its own ramps
he can legally get a 3 tonne machine and 1 tonne dumper on there plus buckets etc
I dont see too many trailers round this way towing plant,the one exception being DDD but his setup looks spot on
we have had 2 bites for overloading and they take the weight off each axle
last one was 18 years ago and that was 2.5k fine

I had the tailgate fall off a transit tipper while driving past the vosa station in leighton buzzard,the car behind me received a double blow out and i had about 12 inspectors on me like a rash
talk about bad timing eh?
LLL

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:52 am**

yup the machine weights are approx dry weights with no fuel oil or buckets. Iveco have the best in class train weights of all classes of vans Thats why i won't buy anything else and i would never tow anything heavy without rear wheel drive had a few scares on steep wet hills in ducato's. The train weight is the manufacturers max design load and as such is completely legal for whatever country it's registered in. It's up to the driver to assess whether it's safe given the conditions to max it out. For example my local quarry has a very steep downhill section of road nearby that would be dangerous to go down in The wet but is fine in The dry. It's legal to do it in The wet but not advisable.

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:51 pm**

We tow trailers almost every single day, ill admit we have a history of overloading, but its difficult to gauge something like a pallet of turf or when you load up the motor on the job with soil etc etc. We really do get bollocked by the gaffer if we take the time to run over a weighbridge, its a constant battle to run legal and please him if you know what i mean. One of our motors was smashed last week due to the trailer being overloaded, and defective brakes on the trailer pushed the van into oncoming traffic. MAN truck doing 40mph bashed into them. Luckily the 3 of them were unhurt, but so easily could have been far more serious.

I have been known to abandon my trailer when he refuses to get it fixed. Although that shouldnt be necessary in my opinion.

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:04 pm**

2 young lads over took me this AM on a narrow country lane
-2 this morning
anyway a mile up the road they had the corsa on its roof
luckily they were both ok , but that was just a car hitting black ice
LLL

The Brew Cabin

Transit tipper/nissan cabstar