Neighbour/soak-away

Foul and surface water, private drains and public sewers, land drains and soakaways, filter drains and any other ways of getting rid of water.
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Seether
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Post: # 92530Post Seether

Hi I am new to this and not sure if you can help - I have followed many avenues but seem to come to dead ends and i'm just after some impartial, sensible, practical advice. I am afraid this is a long story but will try and keep it as short as possible.

We bought bungalow approx 10 years ago knowing neighbour was using an old existing (pre 1973) septic tank and soakaway in our garden for discharge from a single shower room and basin. ( deeds say neighbours have rights to enter property for purpose of laying maintaining renewing and replacing such line of pipes septic tank and service the vendor causing no unnecessaary damage)

1. Neighbours had problems with their own system accommodating waste from rest of their property (at that time a 4 bedroom house) and had a sewage waste treatment plant installed telling us they were discharging everything into the old exsisting septic tank soakaway in our garden. They did this without any site tests (as far as we are aware) to see if our garden was suitable telling us they had right of way to do this. Approx 2006

2. They also converted an old unused barn into a 1 bedroom annex and this also was pumped into our garden.

3. May this year (2013) (the property is now being rented out and the number of inhabitants have increased) drain engineers were called out as neighbours property was backing up and had to enter our garden to look at drain/soakaway - they expressed
garden was not big enough to take size of soakaway required
for neighbours set up. The problem in the end turned out to a pump issue.

4.This again raised concerns with us as we had also had significant collapse of garden bank into road which have we repaired with gabion baskets (I must make clear we are not blaming neighbour or looking for any monies for repair ).

5. Would it be reasonable to request some form of certification from neighbour/installer that the sewage treatment plant was installed correctly and in compliance with any regulations etc.

6.We have been in contact with neighbour/owner via email (who now lives away ) since May this year expressing our concerns, he continues to say he can do what he wants as he has rights but will look into alternative. But unfortunately has been on a lot of holidays, change of email address etc etc etc !!

in meantime we have had own percolation tests done - which reports " we found that the recommended size soak away with a 6 person usage and a septic tank would be 87m2. If it was for 10 persons and a treatment plant, the recommended size would be 116m2. At present there are two soakaways in the front lawn which may be contributing to the water running onto lane below." (our own soakaway for a 4 bed bungalow is also in front garden)

We have done dye test - green has appeared in lane/soil but not 100 percent sure if this is dye or algae so have done another colour dye test to double check.

I have investigated building regs but because it is out of the 2 year period building regs cant get involved.

Building control say not their remit and percolation tests can be inaccurate. Even though in my many hours of research (im no expert just a Medical Secretary ) site trial assessment and percolation tests are considered to be a mandatory requirement!

It appears neighbour hasn't registered or applied for discharge permit.

Spoken off the record to parish councillor who advised even if dye shows and we go to environmental health we could be opening a can of worms and would have trouble selling our own house as we have raised an issue and we could be liable for discharge into lane ( it dye is confirmed ) as it is coming off our property even though not from our house.

All I/we were asking for is some form of verification that installation/site/change of use of neighbours soakaway discharging in our garden is suitable and in compliance with regs but not sure who/how/enforces our neighbour to give us piece of mind that this installation has been done correctly considering the problems we have already had with bank collapse and continuing running water - or am I totally talking a load of rubbish and they can really do what they want without tests/permits etc.

Would appreciate some advice but apologise if this is not your remit and for boring everybody :)) thank you
D Morris

r896neo
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Post: # 92539Post r896neo

Right of access to maintain a septic system is not at all the same as increasing capacity. You need to check with a solicitor first i would think regarding the wording of this easement.

Seether
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Location: N.Devon

Post: # 92548Post Seether

Appointment with solicitor Friday 13th!!

Was hoping to avoid going down this route (by doing as much research as I could myself) due to costs etc and neighbour being adamant there was nothing we could do to stop him but as he simply won't respond to any questions or concerns I have I dont have much choice.

Thank you for your comment :D
D Morris

stephen gibson
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Post: # 92830Post stephen gibson

"i'm just after some impartial, sensible, practical advice". That is sound, as you have walked into a complex field and I assume this is not your day job!

Independent professional advice on such matters are provided in the UK by "civil engineering consultants". I suggest typing this into Google.

They advise clients on problems at existing sites and developers in relation to new proposed developments. They are independent to contractors and manufacturers and are usually paid on a time basis or for a fixed fee if the scope is clear, similar to other professions such as solicitors and architects.

My employing a consultant who has come across your situation many times before Clients can save an enormous amount of time and money, compared to guessing and getting a builder in and all the legal problem that can result.
Stephen Gibson
Civil Engineering Consultant
Opinion provided in personal capacity.

Please don't hesitate to contact if you require any professional advice independent to contractors / manufacturer.
http://www.wilsham.co.uk

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Post: # 92838Post lutonlagerlout

no need for google ,just scroll down stephen's post

he is 100% right in what he says though, its professional advice not here-say that you need
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