Which type of jointing

[pieter]

I am looking at doing my drive similar to the one on this page.

They are using the Marshall's Fairstone paving. I am not sure whether normal dry jointing will be good enough since the gaps between the stones/bricks look quite big. Can anyone please advise me on this?

[lutonlagerlout]

cue Mickg
i thought fairstone setts had to be pointed?
LLL ???

[GB_Groundworks]

as tony said, that website is our resident forum member Mickg they wer laid on a concrete bed settled into the concrete then point with marshall weatherpoint 365 if i recall but he'll be along to give exact details



Edited By GB_Groundworks on 1358804960

[mickg]

Hi pieter, the driveway was pointed with Marshalls weatherpoint 365 like Giles has already mentioned, it can be applied in the wet or dry conditions so its ideal for the UK climate

I would certainly not recommend you use a dry mix to joint the paving as it will not last and the paving could become dislodged from the concrete bed which it is laid on

I hope this helps

If you need a quote for laying your driveway please do not hesitate to contact us

[pieter]

Thank you very much for the replies. So pointing it is then. You mention a concrete bed. I cannot seem to find anything on pavingexpert website about using this method. Is this basically replacing the grid sand with concrete (how deep?) and do you still need the hardcore sub base?

I had a few quotes for the drive (~24sqm) and they were all just about £1800-£2100 in total, which is more than what I want to pay. The cheaper ones were also for normal bricks whereas the more expensive one was for printed concrete.

[mickg]

with all driveway construction you need a minimum depth of 150mm MOT type 1 sub base well compacted in 2 layers of 75mm, the fairstone driveway setts are laid on a concrete bed minimum 50mm deep for a medium size car but the driveway we installed was 100mm minimum depth because the home owner has a heavier than normal vehicle

I can't buy the materials for less than what you have been quoted to install your driveway, that price your quoting above cant be for fairstone paving ?

[Carberry]

For the price you're looking to pay Pieter you will get concrete block paving.

Pattern imprinted concrete is a huge minefield in this country, most of it is crap.

[pieter]

Apologies, I should have said that it was not specific for the Fairstone.
If the Fairstone material is that much then maybe I should look at a cheaper alternative. Also, thank you for the imprinted concrete warning...that would have been my alternative option.

Thank you very much for your time though!

[Tony McC]

I cannot seem to find anything on pavingexpert website about using this method.

I suspect that's because you're looking for block paving laid on concrete, which doesn't happen - we have block paving laid on mortar over concrete, known as Rigid Brick Paving, which is close to what you want, but the best guidance is given under Laying Rigid Setts, which is, after all, what the Fairstone are intended to be.



Edited By Tony McC on 1358853227

[simeonronacrete]

If you're looking for a second choice and have dismissed PIC, how about Resin Bound Paving.

•15 Year Guarantee available
•Attractive natural aggregate appearance
•Highly porous allowing water to drain
•UV stable non yellowing resin
•Recycled aggregates available (SuDS)
•Anti-slip surface dressing increases safety

Key Performance Indicators
•Fast curing; accepts foot traffic after 4 hours
•Resin is non-yellowing; light stable after 2000 hours
•Can achieve high slip resistance;
•SRV 65 (wet), 70 (dry)

[Carberry]

If you're looking for a second choice and have dismissed PIC, how about Resin Bound Paving.

•15 Year Guarantee available
•Attractive natural aggregate appearance
•Highly porous allowing water to drain
•UV stable non yellowing resin
•Recycled aggregates available (SuDS)
•Anti-slip surface dressing increases safety

Key Performance Indicators
•Fast curing; accepts foot traffic after 4 hours
•Resin is non-yellowing; light stable after 2000 hours
•Can achieve high slip resistance;
•SRV 65 (wet), 70 (dry)

I suspect that will be well beyond his budget simeon.

[simeonronacrete]

Perhaps, but he was looking for options.

He may be pleasantly surprised.

[TheRockConcreting]

Pattern imprinted concrete is a huge minefield in this country, most of it is crap.

Bit harsh?

When concrete is the most robust paving material to date. Out performing everything else by a country mile. Of course if dangerous dan the digger man gets his hands on it, it ain't gonna go well, but that can be said for every type of paving product on the market.

[cookiewales]

Made me chuckle that , I have seen sandstone and limestone with hundreds of years wear Pompeii is coverd on the pc front there are to many bad installers same on block paving , exposed agarate is the bees knees when done right :p

[Carberry]

Pattern imprinted concrete is a huge minefield in this country, most of it is crap.

Bit harsh?

When concrete is the most robust paving material to date. Out performing everything else by a country mile. Of course if dangerous dan the digger man gets his hands on it, it ain't gonna go well, but that can be said for every type of paving product on the market.

As Cookie says, stone is tried and tested. There are Roman roads thousands of years old still in use today, that's robust enough for me :laugh:

This is the appian way, completed in 312 BC.


As for the PIC comment, I haven't seen a well done PIC driveway in this country, that isn't to say there aren't good examples just that the industry is lagging in this country. The first driveway I laid was PIC in Australia, still looks good 15 years later.